Brand new here - just installed 11.2 ms 8

[MountainX]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

significantly less performance than the "nvidia" driver, which may in part explain why "Compositing is not supported on your system".

Thank you. In Ubuntu I always ran the proprietary nvidia drivers. How would I do the same in OpenSUSE?

I still do not have a "Graphics and Monitors" entry in Yast Hardware.

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by MountainX

Thank you. In Ubuntu I always ran the proprietary nvidia drivers. How would I do the same in OpenSUSE?

I still do not have a "Graphics and Monitors" entry in Yast Hardware.

Well, some reading may help ... Per this post:

Originally Posted by oldcpu

Our forum installation stickie (yes it is written for 11.1 but most of it also applies to 11.2): NEW Users - Suse-11.1 Pre-installation – PLEASE READ - openSUSE Forums

If you read that above thread, and if you noted the link to nVidia in post#6 NEW Users - Suse-11.1 Pre-installation – PLEASE READ POST#6 - openSUSE Forums you will find this link which takes you here: NVIDIA - openSUSE

In that link there are various methods described how to update one's graphic driver to the proprietary nVidia driver. I prefer the "hardway" in that URL, which in fact is NOT hard. But each to their own.

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by MountainX

I still do not have a "Graphics and Monitors" entry in Yast Hardware.

This has been removed in 11.2 from YaST . ....

In 11.1 and earlier, the entry was present in YaST. 11.2 is using some sort of automatic configuration method, that does not rely on the xorg.conf file. Hence since there is an automatic configuration method, the YaST developers decided to remove that section from YaST.

HOWEVER, if one decides to create an xorg.conf file, that file will over ride the automatic configuration method.

IMHO this may boil down to WHY are you installing 11.2 milestone8. Are you doing this to test and raise bug reports? Or are you planning to use this as a day to day system. If the later, then I think you may be making a mistake.

[Knurpht]

Agreed. If you do need the newer kernel, here's about installing the NVIDIA driver. You need to install 'the hard way' anyway, since there's no repo for 11.2 yet and the card's too new.

Start the software installer and select the 'Linux Kernel Development' pattern for install, install. This will get all needed packages for installing the NVIDIA driver.
Next open a terminal window and follow instructions below:

mkdir NVIDIA
cd NVIDIA
++ a folder NVIDIA is created in /home/YOURUSERNAME and entered

++ now on a 32bit system do:
wget ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Li...90.36-pkg1.run
++ on a 64bit system do:
wget ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Li...90.36-pkg2.run
++ this downloads the driver from the NVIDIA site, into current folder

++ now on 32bit do:
su -c 'sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-190.36-pkg1.run -q'
++ on 64bit do:
su -c 'sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-190.36-pkg2.run -q'
++ Enter rootpassword when asked for. The installer will start, Accept the license, hit OK when asked for, until finished.

++ After install, you have to configure the driver, since you changed it for VESA:
su -c 'sax2 -r -m0=nvidia'
++ Enter rootpassword. MIND: after the -m is a zero. Click Change Configuration, check values for videocard and monitor resolition. Save and exit.
++ Driver is now installed and configured. On next kernel update there's no need for the sax2 command, since Xorg is already configured to use the nvidia driver.
++ Now we need to change to runlevel 5 to get your gui back:

su -c 'init 5 && exit'
++ Enter rootpassword and you should be presented with the kdm login screen.

[MountainX]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

This has been removed in 11.2 from YaST . ....

In 11.1 and earlier, the entry was present in YaST. 11.2 is using some sort of automatic configuration method, that does not rely on the xorg.conf file. Hence since there is an automatic configuration method, the YaST developers decided to remove that section from YaST.

HOWEVER, if one decides to create an xorg.conf file, that file will over ride the automatic configuration method.

Because I am new here, I would really, really like to understand this and do things the right way. In an earlier post when I pointed out that evdev was used for mouse and input settings instead of xorg.conf now, no one replied and I was left with the impression that xorg.conf was still used in OpenSUSE. Maybe that is wrong.

Was it unnecessary to run sax2 -r? (see earlier post)
Can I remove the xorg.conf file? Creating it doesn't seem to have helped in any way - e.g., I still don't have the Desktop Effects.

Originally Posted by oldcpu

IMHO this may boil down to WHY are you installing 11.2 milestone8. Are you doing this to test and raise bug reports? Or are you planning to use this as a day to day system. If the later, then I think you may be making a mistake.

I'm just doing it for learning and experimentation. If it goes well, I'll keep it. In the past, I almost always went with a new version of Ubuntu by the time it reached beta. How does "milestone 8" compare with a beta release?

FYI, this is what started it all:
Anyone else switching to KDE thanks to Nokia? - maemo.org - Talk
I just wanted to switch to KDE and I planned to use Kubuntu. But so far OpenSUSE is way better on my Thinkpad T61p. The OpenSUSE installer is amazing. I did some advanced partitioning that I would not have been able to do in the normal Ubuntu installer (I always had to use the alternate installer CD).

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by MountainX

Because I am new here, I would really, really like to understand this and do things the right way. In an earlier post when I pointed out that evdev was used for mouse and input settings instead of xorg.conf now, no one replied and I was left with the impression that xorg.conf was still used in OpenSUSE. Maybe that is wrong.

openSUSE-11.1 is stable and most of us have a reasonable handle on it. For 11.1 one needs an xorg.conf file. But that is changing for 11.2 and the exact details of the 11.2 implementation are not known by most. I know I do not know.

However I read (and was also told on an IRC channel ) that if one puts an xorg.conf file in place, it will over ride the autoconfig in 11.2.

Originally Posted by MountainX

Was it unnecessary to run sax2 -r? (see earlier post)

Necessary? No. BUT the "nv" driver you have in place now should have superior performance over the "vesa" driver. BUT neither have the needed performance for desktop effects. For that you need the proprietary "nvidia" driver and you were given advice as to that.

I have to run to supper now ! Can't read the rest of your post. Sorry.

[MountainX]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

Necessary? No. BUT the "nv" driver you have in place now should have superior performance over the "vesa" driver.

I suspect I was not using the vesa driver before xorg.conf was created. Would give 1920 x 1200 resolution at 24 bits? That's what I had before.

Have a nice dinner. Thanks for your help.

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by MountainX

I suspect I was not using the vesa driver before xorg.conf was created. Would give 1920 x 1200 resolution at 24 bits? That's what I had before.

Have a nice dinner. Thanks for your help.

Yes, I think it would support 1920x1200 @ 24 bits. But it would be slow.

Still, its possible you were not using the vesa driver ... re-reading your posts I see you were refering to the cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.install file which references the very low resolution fbdv driver (I can not believe you were using that) or the "vesa" driver. And there could be (in fact there are many) other aspects to this graphic driver under 11.2 milestone8 that I do not understand.

As noted, 11.2 milestone8 is for testing right now. Is that you intention?

It is NOT for nominal desktop use.

[MountainX]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

As noted, 11.2 milestone8 is for testing right now. Is that you intention?

It is NOT for nominal desktop use.

Well, there was a call for testers... I'm actually learning/experimenting more than testing, but I'm OK with using a pre-release version and reporting my problems.

I already reported, for example, that the KMenu NetworkManager does not open the application.

[MountainX]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

Yes, I think it would support 1920x1200 @ 24 bits. But it would be slow.

FYIl, my display was not slow. It was running just as well as it does now.

I think I will delete the xorg.conf file...