KDE4.3 Yast Packages

[caf4926]

My restrained comments in the bug report got me a slap on the wrist!

I wonder how many kde users have decided the gtk Yast is better than qt and forced a switch of the UI?.....Umm, I have an idea it might be less than 1.

[brucecadieux]

It wasn't broke, it worked perfectly fine. Thus they had to fix it to make it awkward to use.

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by consused

The double-click issue was highlighted then, but that response side-stepped it. Yast (developers) must prefer Gnome over KDE - for stability perhaps.

.... stability ?? that can NOT be reference KDE3, as IMHO KDE3 is just as stable (if not more stable) than Gnome ever was (or ever will be).

As for KDE4, it has made leaps and bounds in terms of progress. I am a very big (and stubborn) KDE3 user, and I think I will start a thread in soapbox over how much the new KDE-4.3. has actually impressed me (as opposed to the earlier KDE-4.1.3 and most of the KDE-4.2.x ... versions where I was encouraged by progress, but not impressed ).

As for the logic of the developers when they state " we decided to make it similar to the Gtk variant " , that is a perspective that is bound to raise the ire of many KDE users (like it has). By that logic we should dump KDE, dump XFCE, dump ICEwm and stick ONLY with one desktop to support, where gnome looks like a good candidate - which of course, is not only sarcasm on my part, but removing choice is completely contrary to the Linux philosophy of providing choice to our users.

What they SHOULD have done when removing QT, is either keep the old interface (of 1 click) or modified the code to add 2 clicks with a choice of 1 or 2 clicks. Throwing out an old method that works is TOTALLY SILLY. Why re-event the wheel when the wheel works ???

I don't know how to address this .... other than to write code that provides the user the option to change YaST behaviour and then to submit the code for inclusion in openSUSE (and I simply don't know how to write such code, nor even if I did know how to write the code (which I do not), I do not know how to submit the code such that it would not be dismissed by the sort of attitude that pushed the double click on us.)

Hence my overall view is all our complaints will be just leaves blowing in the wind. ... ie will have no weight at all.

... maybe we need to move this thread to soap box, as I feel like climbing on one and pontificating ...

[caf4926]

Go ahead Lee, move it. Have a vent, I'll probably join in.

[consused]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

.... stability ?? that can NOT be reference KDE3, as IMHO KDE3 is just as stable (if not more stable) than Gnome ever was (or ever will be).

As for KDE4, it has made leaps and bounds in terms of progress. I am a very big (and stubborn) KDE3 user, and I think I will start a thread in soapbox over how much the new KDE-4.3. has actually impressed me (as opposed to the earlier KDE-4.1.3 and most of the KDE-4.2.x ... versions where I was encouraged by progress, but not impressed ).

My comment about gnome stability was meant as a throw away line, as I couldn't think of any other technical reason. I probably should have used the sarcasm emoticon. I have seen posts in the forum from experienced KDE users, claiming Gnome gives the best stability (well it receives less new development), but I couldn't defend or dispute it.

As you may recall, I am a KDE 3.5.10 user, and dislike the Gnome DE for the control freak that it is. I only play with KDE4 on 11.2 milestones and kubuntu (only as my video driver performs much better on it, for internet streaming). My views on KDE 4 match yours, more or less exactly.

Finding the new UI (retro IMO) with the doubleclick felt like a last straw. Given the best-of-breed view of Yast held by the many. I was angry about it when I posted in chit-chat, accusing it of being "a problem looking for a solution" and "rearranging the deckchairs", and it obviously struck an exposed nerve. The response to that, I quoted above, first disagreed and then committed suicide by proving the criticism to have been appropriate.

caf4926 wrote:

>
> This is related to 11.1 but the Factory KDE4 packages, which is why I
> put it in here:
>
> Updates provide the new look Yast
> '[image: http://thumbnails15.imagebam.com/453...845384325.gif]'
> (http://www.imagebam.com/image/d515b845384325/)
>
> Is anyone else needing Double click?
> I can probably change it, haven't looked in to it yet.
>
>

.... and it's not just the double-click that's a PITA.

When single clicking on an item, such as "Online Update", a dark blue
corner-rounded rectangle is displayed. The font text of "Online Update" is
not colour reversed like the subtitle is "Get patches to correct and
impro..." (truncated!) to white, so "Online Update" is almost totally
obscured by the dark blue rectangle. Uugghhh !

[caf4926]

Originally Posted by Steve Barrell

caf4926 wrote:

>
> This is related to 11.1 but the Factory KDE4 packages, which is why I
> put it in here:
>
> Updates provide the new look Yast
> '[image: http://thumbnails15.imagebam.com/4539/d515b845384325.gif]'
> (ImageBam - Fast, Free Image Hosting and Photo Sharing)
>
> Is anyone else needing Double click?
> I can probably change it, haven't looked in to it yet.
>
>

.... and it's not just the double-click that's a PITA.

When single clicking on an item, such as "Online Update", a dark blue
corner-rounded rectangle is displayed. The font text of "Online Update" is
not colour reversed like the subtitle is "Get patches to correct and
impro..." (truncated!) to white, so "Online Update" is almost totally
obscured by the dark blue rectangle. Uugghhh !

Agreed. Sucky lookin' isn't it!

[finders]

While qt GUI is very nice and I really like it, the yast-qt menu isn't something I would use or recommend.
No matter how you skin the interface or what colors you use, icons and highlight just don't fit.
Fonts are leaking outside the highlighted areas and double click is really annoying.

Setting the yast shell to gtk doesn't fix the double click but it's nicer to look at.

[marcoant]

I hate double-click too. Don't know who invented it but I think it's probably the worst idea he ever had. It's against all accesibility recommendations.

Searching the web I've found these interesting links:

YaSTuza Headquarters - Farewell to Qt3, enter YaST Qt4 Control Centre
Duncan Mac-Vicar P. · The module’s info experiment

It seems someone wanted to add a tooltip to YaST modules where you would see several info about the module. But someother thought a fixed panel would be better so we'll need one-click to get this stupid-pre-info-panel and double-click to run the module. Incredible! I really don't find useful the idea of this pre-info-panel but anyway... why didn't they think of the right button?

[Knurpht]

One more double-click hater.