Bing vs. Google: Is Microsoft Losing Its Mojo?

[mmarif4u]

Just read this post, looks like M$ users like bing than Google.
Interesting comment from one user:

Wow, not me. Windows has the apps I use everyday. Google OS is just a bunch of hype. And I have GMail, so I know what you mean. I like GMail and the RSS Reader. But Chrome OS? Come on.... Surely you are kidding. Google Apps are horrible. I'll stick with Office, my BlackBerry, and Enterprise Services. Looking forward to Windows 7.

Windows 7??? i think he is referring to Vista 7(mean Vista with new SP).

Bing vs. Google: Is Microsoft Losing Its Mojo? - PC World

[john_hudson]

Bing has already taken market share from Google partly because its search algorithms are better than the existing Google ones; but Google is expected to remedy that shortly anyway.

The importance of Bing for MS is that it is a source of advertising revenue to compensate for the losses of revenue it is suffering in other areas.

[GofBorg]

I think MS lost it's mojo in '98. That's kind of been the last time
I recall anything coming out of MS still being half way cool.
It's just taken awhile for the train to slow down after the engine stalled.

[oldcpu]

My wife, a winXP fan, was complaining that Explorer by default goes to Bing. ... She had to dig deep within Explorer menu's to figure out how to change Explorer's default search engine from Bing to Google. She actually prefers Firefox browser, but there are some Thai language web sites that Explorer handles much better than Firefox (and hence her needing to use Explorer on occasion).

IMHO this MS-Explorer setting is a classic case of Microsoft levering its monopoly to give itself an arguably unfair competitive advantage (depending on one's view on the fairness of monopolies). ie MS-Explorer is the default browser, and now Bing is the default Search Engine for MS-Explorer, which means Bing is now the default Search Engine for Windows. ...

[GofBorg]

> IMHO this MS-Explorer setting is a classic case of Microsoft levering
> its monopoly to give itself an arguably unfair competitive advantage
> (depending on one's view on the fairness of monopolies). ie MS-Explorer
> is the default browser, and now Bing is the default Search Engine for
> MS-Explorer, which means Bing is now the default Search Engine for
> Windows. ...

It's a rather non straight forward process to change it as well unlike
Firefox's method.

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by GofBorg

It's a rather non straight forward process to change it as well unlike Firefox's method.

Could be ... I don't use Windoze so I would not know how easy or difficult. HOWEVER despite a lot of Firefox hype that one reads, I do know Microsoft has a monopoly on operating systems that Firefox does not have. Hence IMHO there is no need for Firefox to make it straightforward, however for Microsoft to even create a default (as opposed to offering a choice upon first running Explorer) will likely be considered by many as a monopolistic practice, where in some countries of the world such practices are illegal.

[malcolmlewis]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

My wife, a winXP fan, was complaining that Explorer by default goes to
Bing. ... She had to dig deep within Explorer menu's to figure out how
to change Explorer's default search engine from Bing to Google. She
actually prefers Firefox browser, but there are some Thai language web
sites that Explorer handles much better than Firefox (and hence her
needing to use Explorer on occasion).

IMHO this MS-Explorer setting is a classic case of Microsoft levering
its monopoly to give itself an arguably unfair competitive advantage
(depending on one's view on the fairness of monopolies). ie MS-Explorer
is the default browser, and now Bing is the default Search Engine for
MS-Explorer, which means Bing is now the default Search Engine for
Windows. ...

Hi
Give google chromium a whirl, that may be better?

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[vendetta18]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

My wife, a winXP fan, was complaining that Explorer by default goes to Bing. ... She had to dig deep within Explorer menu's to figure out how to change Explorer's default search engine from Bing to Google. She actually prefers Firefox browser, but there are some Thai language web sites that Explorer handles much better than Firefox (and hence her needing to use Explorer on occasion).

IMHO this MS-Explorer setting is a classic case of Microsoft levering its monopoly to give itself an arguably unfair competitive advantage (depending on one's view on the fairness of monopolies). ie MS-Explorer is the default browser, and now Bing is the default Search Engine for MS-Explorer, which means Bing is now the default Search Engine for Windows. ...

Yup, was going to say that... I think end users for increased that way a lot. But that is microsoft. In the same way Firefox's default search engine is Google, IE's default is Bing now. And there are a lots and lots of people for whom it does not matter what is the search engine. They may not even know that their search engine has changed

I really do not have something against M$ software, but their strategy is not right. They do not sell their product by making it better, but by making it next to impossible to run M$ software in cohesion with others software.

I recently updated my Vista to install SP2, but it failed and screwed my Vista. On research I found that Vista SP2 packs do not install successfully on systems which dual boot with other OS's(I dual boot Vista and openSUSE).

This really makes me angry at M$(Not their software but the people). I try to keep myself as much as far from any windows application and I do not even use wine for that purpose
.

[vendetta18]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

Could be ... I don't use Windoze so I would not know how easy or difficult. HOWEVER despite a lot of Firefox hype that one reads, I do know Microsoft has a monopoly on operating systems that Firefox does not have. Hence IMHO there is no need for Firefox to make it straightforward, however for Microsoft to even create a default (as opposed to offering a choice upon first running Explorer) will likely be considered by many as a monopolistic practice, where in some countries of the world such practices are illegal.

Would not that apply the same to Firefox who have google as default search engine?? Even Firefox do not give you a choice on the first run.

On the other hand, Windows does ask you for a default web browser on the first run. When I upgraded from IE7 to IE8, and ran it first time, it did give out a list of search engines and asked me to set the default one.. Google was there also.

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by vendetta18

Would not that apply the same to Firefox who have google as default search engine?? Even Firefox do not give you a choice on the first run.

No it does not apply. Google has no monopoly. Firefox has no monopoly.

In some countries, there are regulations/laws that govern companies that have monopolies.

It boils down to using a product with a "monopoly" to push out competitors. That is illegal in some countries.