Microsoft, Codeplex and Miguel de Icaza..

[anshuljain]

Senor Icaza is at it again (CodePlex Foundation - Miguel de Icaza). This time its the promotion of the Microsoft backed "Open Source" Codeplex initiative. I really do not care much about Microsoft's oft-professed "Open Source Love" that tends be thrown around as a bone to keep some M$ apologists in the Linux community something to argue on. What really is surprising is Icaza at the helm of such an initiative. Do we need any more of Icaza's M$ love?

Opensuse is a fantastic distro. I like it as much as Mandriva (which is my first choice). But the blatant hobnobbing of Icaza with Microsoft (earlier Mono and now Codeplex) puts off potential users like me (and I'm a corporate user of Opensuse). I would really hate to hold a fine distro like Opensuse's KDE (I'm a KDE user) hostage to some petty politics (read Icaza's final statement about RMS, which sounds like he's on an ego trip), but one can't help but do so. The recent decision to make KDE default on Opensuse now would see justified, atleast in my eyes.

Whats next? Icaza taking over Sam Ramji's position at Microsoft?

[vodoo]

Any initiative to create a free software community around any M$ OS is doomed to fail. Otherwise it would have emerged since a long time. The only way to change this would be to release the Windows source and make it free.

This is an attempt to abuse people's time to write free applications just to promote the sales of a non-free proprietary OS. I think this is obvious?

[microchip8]

You know what? Miguel should just go work for MS and be done with it. They'd be more than happy to have him there. I'm tired of this shill

[ram88]

I have no idea why the Linux distributions supporting .NET / C# and other M$ technologies when they are including programs like Tomboy...
Why developers don't use open-source frameworks and platforms...?

[cjcox]

On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 08:46 +0000, anshuljain wrote:
> Senor Icaza is at it again ('CodePlex Foundation - Miguel de Icaza'
> (http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Sep-10.html)). This time its the
> promotion of the Microsoft backed "Open Source" Codeplex initiative. I
> really do not care much about Microsoft's oft-professed "Open Source
> Love" that tends be thrown around as a bone to keep some M$ apologists
> in the Linux community something to argue on. What really is surprising
> is Icaza at the helm of such an initiative. Do we need any more of
> Icaza's M$ love?

Is is wrong for Microsoft to promote open source? I imagine you did
look at the site and see the number of projects there that are licensed
under the GPL and LGPL, right?

If Microsoft promoting the GPL and LGPL and the like, isn't "right", can
you explain what you'd like to see? In fact, I just did an advanced
search for all of the NON Microsoft licenses that are accepted by the
Linux community as a whole, and the number of projects is 5229.
Granted, a lot of those are also well known applications already in the
Linux space.

If you're a purist, that is, you don't use a LOT of popular Linux distro
applications, you only use GPL/LGPL licensed pieces, then that number at
codeplex is 3099.

The number of projects using Microsoft's "open source" licensing plus
the evil Sun Microsystems CDDL is 5112. Remove the CDDL and the number
goes down to 4670.

So... are you upset that the GPL is doing well at codeplex? Don't trust
the community? What's the issue again?

Just curious.

[Roger_Marquis]

microsoft is a corporation... and as such their only goal is to make more profit... so by putting on foot into the open source world and pretending to freely distribute some codes for the benefit of that community is by itself an early warning of an invasion.

but its only my point of view.

[hendersj]

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:46:02 +0000, Roger Marquis wrote:

> microsoft is a corporation... and as such their only goal is to make
> more profit... so by putting on foot into the open source world and
> pretending to freely distribute some codes for the benefit of that
> community is by itself an early warning of an invasion.
>
> but its only my point of view.

Novell is a corporation. RedHat is a corporation.

I'm not sure what your point is.

Jim



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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Moderator

[cjcox]

On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 16:46 +0000, Roger Marquis wrote:
> microsoft is a corporation... and as such their only goal is to make
> more profit... so by putting on foot into the open source world and
> pretending to freely distribute some codes for the benefit of that
> community is by itself an early warning of an invasion.

I think you're looking at the wrong website. YOU, an individual, can
house/link a project through codeplex. It's a community driven
repository of open source software.

>
> but its only my point of view.

I think the point is that FOSS is a good thing. But for whatever reason
we do not want Microsoft to adopt or promote it (??).

[Roger_Marquis]

what i have learned so far in my life is: if you want to know what is going to happen in a near future you have to look into the past. i cannot tell if microsoft got a hidden agenda (regarding FOSS) but the way there are running their business makes me uncomfortable. and its ok with me if out there there are good corporate citizens but... i am not

cheers!

[consused]

Why are you focusing on Icaza. He's only one body. Both boards of Codeplex each have Microsoft with 50% of the body count.

So for any vote Microsoft can avoid losing i.e. win or draw. If the chairman doesn't vote, they have a majority.