Why does everyone use Ubuntu?

[seasoned_geek]

Originally Posted by microchip8

Also my response was to your claims how good or better HW support was in Ubuntu despite users telling you it's not so due to personal experiences, yet you ignore that and continue to rant about you not being able to configure your modem so that makes openSUSE the worst distro out there *for all other people* solely due to it failing for *you*.

Which is exactly how product reputation is established, one non-functioning system at a time. Most people fall in love with Ubuntu not because of clicks and marketing, but because it doesn't have Yast. Most users rarely have a show stopper hardware issue after a succesful install.
A lot of the "hardware" bugs you are talking about all came about from one set of video drivers. The NVidia package update trashed a _lot_ of unrelated devices. It even nailed ATAPI devices. One very odd thing between the two worlds is the SuSE world stating you need a custom kernel for ATI drivers, I never did anything different when I installed Ubuntu. Maybe they had multiple kernels on the install media and simply kept it hidden?

Originally Posted by microchip8

I don't know why you bring up your OpenOffice problems as I never said anything about them so your reply about that is ridiculous.

You could have stopped that statement after the first 3 words. It would be most accurate.

Please allow me to educate you.

OpenOffice was written by Java programmers, not professional developers. As such, it didn't have the benefit of a data architect or application architect when it was designed. Yes, I can write Java, I've even published a book on it, but there is a flaw. People who call themselves "Java programmers" tend to have only learned Java or only learned OOP, without ever walking the tredmill of 3GL design and development. As such, they skipped all of the valuable lessons. The most notable lesson they skipped was: "System resources are finite".

I'm old enough to have used WordPerfect under DOS 3.x up through DR-DOS 6.x. Even with only 640K in the machine we were able to edit and write documents having thousands of pages. WordPerfect only loaded the few pages you needed at a time.

OpenOffice, being written by Java programmers instead of professional developers, must load the entire file. It doesn't sound horrible when you see a file that is only 20-200Meg in size sitting there on the disk. Given the object nature of things loaded into OO 3.0, you popped past the end of the 4GIG 32-bit limit at some point around 460 pages if you document has screen shots and source listings along with regular text.

Popping past the end of this limit ended up pushing me into the 64-bit world. Then is when I found out that the JVM runnign on 64-bit really wasn't 64-bit as it couldn't get more than 4Gig for itself. That is also when I found out how little the 64-bit version of Ubuntu was tested. OO didn't crash, it took out Ubuntu on the way down.

That journey led me to OpenSuSE. OO 3.x still had the limits over here, but at least it didn't take SuSE down with it. Desperation lead me to search around for an ODT alternative. IBM was releasing 1.2 of Symphony at the time. They didn't have a 64-bit release. The 32-bit release wouldn't install on the 64-bit Ubuntu machine. The 64-bit version of OpenSuSE was able to install and run the 32-bit RMP of Symphony. Aparently SuSE did a better job of memory management and thunking than Ubuntu at that point in time.

It wasn't long after this that I found out about the OpenSuSE 8Gig tradgedy. If you have 8Gig installed and get forced into a random disk check on boot, fschk will crash, usually corrupting your 1TB or greater drives on its way down. Sometimes it simply hardlocks the machine. It was an act of sheer desperation that drove me to pulling 2Gig out of the machine and correctly identifying the problem.

Originally Posted by microchip8

Oh yeah, I'm still 12 yo, yet I was born in '81. Nice try genius Sherlock

Well I hope to God I didn't go to high school with your dad, or worse yet, your mother! That was just prior to graduation.

[seasoned_geek]

Originally Posted by microchip8

What??? you're saying that openSUSE doesn't support or is not as good as Ubuntu on bottom-feeder HW? OMFG, If I was religious, I'll be praying now to some God to give me power and shoot the clueless like you without being punished afterwards. Obviously, you're making very bold claims here, do you have something to back them up since the burden is on you as you make the claims? Also, you do realize that Lenovo is preloading SUSE on lappies these days, and Dell also offers SUSE if desired.

Lenovo is not known for catering to the bottom feeder market. Gateway, Toshiba/WinBook, Acer, and Dell tend to cater to the bottom feeder market. To be accurate, Dell is only loading OpenSuSE on a select few higher end notebooks, not their $300 college specials...at least that was the case when I looked last. It's not a case of "buy a machine and get any OS they support pre-loaded on it". Dell was pre-loading Ubuntu earlier than they pre-loaded SuSE. They actually have/had their own support forum so Dell problems could be weeded out from regular Ubuntu problems. It almost sounded like they were getting a custom edition.

Originally Posted by microchip8

I just won't spend any more time with you

There may just be a God!!!!!!!!!

[JopSway]

Originally Posted by seasoned_geek

You are the first, and only, person I've ever encountered in my 20+ years in IT to say something nice about SuSE hardware support.

Make that two of us.

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by seasoned_geek

Sekka is the only person in the world I ever heard utter a kind word about John Holmes. Once again, I'm not alone in that boat.

I had to surf that on the internet to see what you were talking about. .... pornography and comparisons to it as an insult, has no place in this forum - take that as a formal warning from a moderator. I will not warn you twice on this ....

... aside from the questionable standard of video material you like to watch ... I will also say that is a very poor argument, that shows you have failed in your point.

It does not speak highly of your 20+ years, especially if rule break such comparisons as that are all you have to draw upon.

Your view that I am the only person who has encountered cases where Ubuntu can not handle the hardware, but openSUSE could, is simply fallacious.

Why not back down and admit you made a mistake there in your zealous effort to justify a general view point ? No one will think the less of you if you admit now that there are cases where openSUSE has handled the hardware better than Ubuntu. You should also admit that I am not the only one to have noted this. Many dozens of users have noted this. As I stated at the start, there are case where both distro's handle hardware better than each other. That is very common in the Linux world, and with your claimed 20+ years of experience (if that is true, and I am skeptical now) then you would know that.

But if you persist in denying that specific point, then you will simply drag down the remainder of your assertions, as they will be cast with the same brush, and also treated as wrong.

[seasoned_geek]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

I had to surf that on the internet to see what you were talking about. .... pornography and comparisons to it as an insult, has no place in this forum - take that as a formal warning from a moderator. I will not warn you twice on this ....

I made the mistake of assuming you were in your 40's and would be familiar with the Val Kilmer movie about him named "Wonderland".

Originally Posted by oldcpu

... aside from the questionable standard of video material you like to watch ... I will also say that is a very poor argument, that shows you have failed in your point.

Please don't make unfounded assumptions. You were unfamiliar with "Wonderland".

Originally Posted by oldcpu

It does not speak highly of your 20+ years, especially if rule break such comparisons as that are all you have to draw upon.

Your view that I am the only person who has encountered cases where Ubuntu can not handle the hardware, but openSUSE could, is simply fallacious.

Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant, quite simply it is true. You are the first person I have ever encountered who held that view. Now there is another person chiming in, that makes two, spread across roughly 30 client sites some of which are Fortune 10 and running many different OSs on site.

Originally Posted by oldcpu

Why not back down and admit you made a mistake there in your zealous effort to justify a general view point ? No one will think the less of you if you admit now that there are cases where openSUSE has handled the hardware better than Ubuntu. You should also admit that I am not the only one to have noted this. Many dozens of users have noted this. As I stated at the start, there are case where both distro's handle hardware better than each other. That is very common in the Linux world, and with your claimed 20+ years of experience (if that is true, and I am skeptical now) then you would know that.

But if you persist in denying that specific point, then you will simply drag down the remainder of your assertions, as they will be cast with the same brush, and also treated as wrong.

Whenever such a case is actually presented, I will admit it. To date, I have never encountered it, nor had a client which encountered it. You claim it exists, that's fine. I don't have the hardware in front of me to verify your claim or a paying customer stating it is true. I do have paying customers firmly entrenched in their belief, with archived trouble tickets, strongly stating otherwise. I also have this very machine where OpenSuSE identifies the SATA drives in the wrong order, is unable to correctly handle the faxmodem, scrambles the disk drives whenever fschk is run and 8Gig of RAM are installed.

I was willing to let this drop when the last flamezoid flamed out. You want to try and say that I'm wrong, fine, say that I'm wrong, it doesn't make you right, it just makes another entry in the forum.

As to 20+ in the field, that was a while ago. The first computer I ever wrote software on was a Commodore SuperPet. The first computer I ever owned was an NCR PC-4 with dual floppy drives. I've written software on more platforms than I care to remember, from PCs to midrange computers to mainframes to GridPad (tm?) pen based computers. I've written quite a few books on software over the years. The Service Oriented Architecture book I wrote won book of the year from USA Book News and was a finalist in the Eric Hoffer Awards. (EH doesn't have a separate category for computer books, all tech and business are in one category.)

I don't get offended easily but questioning my decades in this field is one of the few moral offenses one can commit against me.

If you didn't want bad things said about OpenSuSE in here, you shouldn't have allowed this topic to even be started in the forum.

Nobody will think less of you if you simply let this drop.

[MattBClassic]

Speaking from my many epochs of experience in these sorta of things, this thread should be closed. As to the headline question, all I can say is evidently everyone does not use Ubuntu. Personally I stick to Snail Linux. It is slow and leaves a slime trail, but you can set your watch by its consistency (the hour hand, why would anyone care for anything more?).

[seasoned_geek]

Originally Posted by MattBClassic

Speaking from my many epochs of experience in these sorta of things, this thread should be closed. As to the headline question, all I can say is evidently everyone does not use Ubuntu. Personally I stick to Snail Linux. It is slow and leaves a slime trail, but you can set your watch by its consistency (the hour hand, why would anyone care for anything more?).

epochs

I believe it if you own a functioning watch that actually has hands!

[dragonbite]

Originally Posted by microchip8

Oh yeah, I'm still 12 yo, yet I was born in '81. Nice try genius Sherlock

Young'un. I was 11 in '81.

Seriously, though, this thread should be closed because it's nothing more than a childish "mine's better, no mine's better" fight where I think half of the respondents don't even know what they're responding to. All it does is make the supported distro look bad at this point.

If one works for you, great. If it doesn't, go with something else. I've had situations where openSUSE worked out better, and at times Ubuntu has worked better.

In the end, it doesn't mean a flying flip about anything.

[69_rs_ss]

And here is where I get the final say. All distro's have issues and all have there strengths. Some distros work for some hardware while not for others. Let's drop that stupid "my distro is better then yours", "my uber experience is better/longer/more important than yours" and stick to figuring out what the weaknesses in these distros are and work to find fixes to make them better.

On that note, thread closed. Pick up your toys at the door and head home until tempers cool a bit and maybe we can play in the internet sandbox again.