Why does everyone use Ubuntu?

[microchip8]

Originally Posted by seasoned_geek

I'm sorry that you believe so strongly in OpenSuSE.

I'm sorry you're trolling the forums, typical for Ubuntu admirers, they are *the* worst trolls around and you're no different. Get a clue. No wonder you have received negative reputation from users here. Ubuntu is one of the major distros that doesn't even give that much back to upstream.

I think you've been fed with the Ubuntu babyspoon. Unfortunately, there are people like you who believe Ubuntu is so great that it never fails, yet their forum *and* bugzilla are full of HW complaints and kernels not booting on different machines. Go on, delude yourself even more. You sound like those 16 years old hipsters who wanna be cool and defend their choice of Ubuntu, not because it does things better (obviously, it doesn't) but because you don't wanna get kicked out from your friends click. That's how you come over to me. Get a clue. Stop trolling and making bold statements which easily can be refuted by simple reasoning and logic.

btw, it's openSUSE, not OpenSUSE. Get a clue

[seasoned_geek]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

My view is you are mistaken here. Ubuntu and openSUSE are roughly the same. If one wants superior hardware detection, then try a distribution such as Sidux. Ubuntu does not cut it.

"Trying" a new distro is about a 4 day ordeal due to database backup and recreation. It's not something I do lightly. This desktop has quite a few TB on it.

Right now, I'm limited in my distro choices by IBM. I can only use a distro where they've released a version of Symphony. OpenOffice cannot be used to create the current documents due to its memory issues. Eventually they will fix those and I might be able to move back, but Symphony is quite simply a better word processor...it just doesn't have the plug-ins.

Originally Posted by oldcpu

Why are you sorry? I'm not. Use what works for you.

Right now I'm using what doesn't work for me because the 64-bit version of Ubuntu simply wasn't tested. There is a new rev though..I just can't really take another 4 day outage right now.

Originally Posted by oldcpu

I'm tempted to quote again your 20+ years of programming you noted, and note how that quote does not help your dissertation, but as a moderator I can not do that and retain my moderator status. I do suggest you search our forum to educate your self here, and learn that there are many people who have found Ubuntu did not work, and they moved to openSUSE, which did work.

That's fine. I won't bring up that the type of systems I work on allowed companies that were in the Twin Towers to continue trading to the end of business with less than a 15 minute hesitation while the cluster determined the other nodes weren't coming back. They didn't lose a single transaction. Companies in the same buildings running SuSE, Hat, UX, Solaris, and others didn't continue to function after the loss of the primary location, in many cases they never came back.
I'm glad neither of us brought those things up.

Originally Posted by oldcpu

I have no idea what that means. I suspect no one else does either.

Thank you,
No other statement anyone could make would more accurately describe what is wrong with OpenSuSE development and strategy.

[seasoned_geek]

Originally Posted by microchip8

I'm sorry you're trolling the forums, typical for Ubuntu admirers, they are *the* worst trolls around and you're no different. Get a clue. No wonder you have received negative reputation from users here. Ubuntu is one of the major distros that doesn't even give that much back to upstream.

Wow, obviously you've not actually read anything I've posted. Why let truth get in the way of a good rant. I had heard that was your rep on here. Kind of like reading an episode of Nancy Grace.

Originally Posted by microchip8

I think you've been fed with the Ubuntu babyspoon. Unfortunately, there are people like you who believe Ubuntu is so great that it never fails, yet their forum *and* bugzilla are full of HW complaints and kernels not booting on different machines.

Once again, you didn't bother to read anything which was posted. I used SuSE for a good many years, actually paying for boxed sets to show up at my doorstep. I used Ubuntu for roughly two years. The first 6 weeks were a little rough, but still better than the version of SuSE I had left (was in RPM hell once again.) Desktop was fine, wireless on the notebook wasn't so fine. Then there was an update which fixed everything.

Eventually I exceeded the capabilities of OpenOffice on the 32-bit platform and had to move to 64-bit. If you actually read the majority of the hardware complaints over on Ubuntu forums you will find they come from the 64-bit distro users. The 64-bit distro is not tested prior to shipping. Had you read anything which was posted you would have known that.

Originally Posted by microchip8

Go on, delude yourself even more. You sound like those 16 years old hipsters who wanna be cool and defend their choice of Ubuntu, not because it does things better (obviously, it doesn't) but because you don't wanna get kicked out from your friends click. That's how you come over to me.

Wow, getting called 16 by a 12yo. I'm hurt.

Originally Posted by microchip8

Get a clue. Stop trolling and making bold statements which easily can be refuted by simple reasoning and logic.

I didn't start this thread, which has a troll topic, I simply answered the question, and I don't have Ubuntu on any of my machines right now..haven't for many months.

Despite its devoted following, SuSE has a lot of problems. The deal Novell made with Microsoft appears to be introducing even more given what I've seen in 11.x


btw, it's openSUSE, not OpenSUSE. Get a clue[/QUOTE]

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by seasoned_geek

.... the type of systems I work on allowed companies that were in the Twin Towers to continue trading to the end of business with less than a 15 minute hesitation while the cluster determined the other nodes weren't coming back. They didn't lose a single transaction. Companies in the same buildings running SuSE, Hat, UX, Solaris, and others didn't continue to function after the loss of the primary location, in many cases they never came back.

We were all unhappy about the events surround that day (9/11). Its good to read your efforts were able to help mitigate some of the damage.

But its not relevant wrt a less than acurate statement (likely borne out of frustration) that I am the only person has discovered hardware that works in openSUSE and not in Ubuntu. According to you not 6 people. Not 2 people. Only 1. Me.

Anyway, I hope you do sort the difficulties you have encountered, and find a solution, whether it be with openSUSE or some other Linux distribution.

[TaraIkeda]

Originally Posted by microchip8

I'm sorry you're trolling the forums, typical for Ubuntu admirers, they are *the* worst trolls around and you're no different. Get a clue. No wonder you have received negative reputation from users here. Ubuntu is one of the major distros that doesn't even give that much back to upstream.

I think you've been fed with the Ubuntu babyspoon. Unfortunately, there are people like you who believe Ubuntu is so great that it never fails, yet their forum *and* bugzilla are full of HW complaints and kernels not booting on different machines. Go on, delude yourself even more. You sound like those 16 years old hipsters who wanna be cool and defend their choice of Ubuntu, not because it does things better (obviously, it doesn't) but because you don't wanna get kicked out from your friends click. That's how you come over to me. Get a clue. Stop trolling and making bold statements which easily can be refuted by simple reasoning and logic.

btw, it's openSUSE, not OpenSUSE. Get a clue

Again your attitude I think is way off, if Ubuntu works for someone let them use it.
I know Ubuntu is not perfect, but neither is openSUSE (OpenSuse, Opensuse whatever the phrack you call it)
I have had issues with both, OpenSuse seems not to like my CD/DVD burner, it fails to create menu entries for Wine and Realplayer 11, and in OpenSuse 11.1 I dislike the fact that the Yast software installer closes off instantly... whos bright idea was that?
Then on Ubuntu I have system slowdown with jaunty, I also seen packages and programs segfault with Ibex and Jaunty.
Graphics card is a mess with Jaunty, and there are a few bugs here and there that are minor but still irritating.
You need to learn to stop being an ass I think, so what if people use other distros its their CHOICE!
Linux is about choice pal, if people choose Ubuntu let them do so, if people choose OpenSuse let them do so... who gives a **** as long as its linux.
And dont get on peoples cases for not spelling openSUSE right, fine its spelled openSUSE no need to go up someones ass about it.
But to **** you off I will call it OpenSuse, go ahead beat me up, call me a moron I dont give a ****.
Be a jerk see if I care, shove it!

[microchip8]

Originally Posted by TaraIkeda

Again your attitude I think is way off, if Ubuntu works for someone let them use it.
I know Ubuntu is not perfect, but neither is openSUSE (OpenSuse, Opensuse whatever the phrack you call it)
I have had issues with both, OpenSuse seems not to like my CD/DVD burner, it fails to create menu entries for Wine and Realplayer 11, and in OpenSuse 11.1 I dislike the fact5 that the Yast software installer closes off instantly... whos bright idea was that?
Then on Ubuntu I have system slowdown with jaunty, I also seen packages and programs segfault with Ibex and Jaunty.
Graphics card is a mess with Jaunty, and there are a few bugs here and there that are minor but still irritating.
You need to learn to stop being an ass I think, so what if people use other distros its their CHOICE!
Linux is about choice pal, if people choose Ubuntu let them do so, if people choose OpenSuse let them do so... who gives a **** as long as its linux.
And dont get on peoples cases for not spelling openSUSE right, fine its spelled openSUSE no need to go up someones ass about it.
But to **** you off I will call it OpenSuse, go ahead beat me up, call me a moron I dont give a ****.
Be a jerk see if I care, shove it!

And again you missed what I was saying. If you can't get what I say, please don't reply. I never stopped anyone from using this or that distro (in fact I encourage this), I never implied that openSUSE is best for all, I never said openSUSE never fails but I *don't* tolerate people who come here, claim how good Ubuntu is and how good it works for them and then generalize by spewing lies out of their @ss that Ubuntu has better or best HW support than others just because it happens to be the one distro that has worked fine on their machine(s) and other distros happen to fail. Where did I stop him from using Ubuntu? Point out please. Oh wait, you can't 'cause I never did. You totally missed what I was talking about and at the same time went all red and mad on something you completely didn't get the point

I hope you do realize that this also works the other way around. There are enough people where Ubuntu just fails on their HW or they struggle with a specific piece of HW and can't get it configured or up and running. They try out another distro and it works for them. Does this mean that just because Ubuntu gave them problems, it will give to all problems thus all should avoid it? No it doesn't. But some jack@ss coming here and saying Ubuntu has the best HW support out there, yet their forums and bugzilla are filled with complaints and problems, is unacceptable my friend. All distros can fail on a piece of HW and neither Ubuntu nor openSUSE has the best HW support out there

so again, if you can't get what I'm saying, that's not my problem. But don't put words I never said in my mouth by assuming too much

[seasoned_geek]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

But its not relevant wrt a less than acurate statement (likely borne out of frustration) that I am the only person has discovered hardware that works in openSUSE and not in Ubuntu. According to you not 6 people. Not 2 people. Only 1. Me.

I believe you miss-quoted me. I believe I said you were the only one I had ever encountered. It wasn't a statement born out of frustration, simple truth. You are the first, and only, person I've ever encountered in my 20+ years in IT to say something nice about SuSE hardware support. It's not really so unusual. Sekka is the only person in the world I ever heard utter a kind word about John Holmes. Once again, I'm not alone in that boat.

Originally Posted by oldcpu

Anyway, I hope you do sort the difficulties you have encountered, and find a solution, whether it be with openSUSE or some other Linux distribution.

Thankyou for your hope, but it is doubtful. OpenSuSE seems determined to go trashing around devices and only get the job about a quarter way done. I'm pulling down a live Alpha of Koala, but cringe at the thought of swiming in the waters of 64-bit Ubuntu again. If I could make 32-bit work I would feel a lot better about the attempt.

I see that Koala is in the process of deprecating HAL, but appears to be a lot farther along that openSuSE 11.1. At least they are being logical about it, like moving all disk drives, no matter if they are prug&pray or not, into one new package. I'm thinking that is where openSuSE really failed, they appear to have started migration based on "method of attachment" and still have a long way to go.

[microchip8]

Originally Posted by seasoned_geek

Wow, obviously you've not actually read anything I've posted. Why let truth get in the way of a good rant. I had heard that was your rep on here. Kind of like reading an episode of Nancy Grace.



Once again, you didn't bother to read anything which was posted. I used SuSE for a good many years, actually paying for boxed sets to show up at my doorstep. I used Ubuntu for roughly two years. The first 6 weeks were a little rough, but still better than the version of SuSE I had left (was in RPM hell once again.) Desktop was fine, wireless on the notebook wasn't so fine. Then there was an update which fixed everything.

Eventually I exceeded the capabilities of OpenOffice on the 32-bit platform and had to move to 64-bit. If you actually read the majority of the hardware complaints over on Ubuntu forums you will find they come from the 64-bit distro users. The 64-bit distro is not tested prior to shipping. Had you read anything which was posted you would have known that.



Wow, getting called 16 by a 12yo. I'm hurt.



I didn't start this thread, which has a troll topic, I simply answered the question, and I don't have Ubuntu on any of my machines right now..haven't for many months.

Despite its devoted following, SuSE has a lot of problems. The deal Novell made with Microsoft appears to be introducing even more given what I've seen in 11.x


btw, it's openSUSE, not OpenSUSE. Get a clue

Obviously, it's you who's getting modded down, not me. Hmmm why would that be? We all know that , no? Also, you may need to go out and buy some ear cleaners 'cause your hearing is going down it seems.

Also my response was to your claims how good or better HW support was in Ubuntu despite users telling you it's not so due to personal experiences, yet you ignore that and continue to rant about you not being able to configure your modem so that makes openSUSE the worst distro out there *for all other people* solely due to it failing for *you*. I don't know why you bring up your OpenOffice problems as I never said anything about them so your reply about that is ridiculous. 32-bit support in openSUSE is very solid and many people will tell you that. If it happens not to work for you for some reasons, then too bad. The same thing can happen on any other distro, including Ubuntu or even Debian.

And no, I have not read the majority of HW claims on the Ubuntu forum. What I did is take a peak at their bugzilla and it confirms right there in my face that 32-bit Ubuntu still has enough problems for many. What you claim that only (majority) 64-bit is affected is thus not true.

Oh yeah, I'm still 12 yo, yet I was born in '81. Nice try genius Sherlock

[seasoned_geek]

Originally Posted by microchip8

then generalize by spewing lies out of their @ss that Ubuntu has better or best HW support than others just because it happens to be the one distro that has worked fine on their machine(s) and other distros happen to fail.

Yet, this is exactly what determines it. Like it or not. If Toshiba (and its genric WinBook) use sucky hardware, but happen to gain the largest customer base, it doesn't matter if OpenSuSE every other notebook on the face of the planet, it doesn't support some portion of the largest use base, therefore its support blows.
Ubuntu is very good about supporting bottom-feeder hardware, which is one of the main reasons a NetBook version of the distro was warmly received.

Originally Posted by microchip8

But some jack@ss coming here and saying Ubuntu has the best HW support out there, yet their forums and bugzilla are filled with complaints and problems, is unacceptable my friend. All distros can fail on a piece of HW and neither Ubuntu nor openSUSE has the best HW support out there

One cannot simply count the complaints, one must properly age the complaints. Hardware which didn't work in the initial release of Hardy, but worked by the time Jaunty came out isn't really a current issue. One of the few nice things I did find, but not realize, with Ubuntu was that hardware support didn't "just go away" once it got added. Take this faxmodem problem which brought me here this week. Support just "went away" when they decided to shuffle around device locations and initing. I assume this is because HAL is going away in all distros and 11.x chose to get out the door rather than get it done right.

To the gentleman with the CD problem, I feel your pain. On this very machine I had a Mat****a LS-120 I used for making point in time snapshots of books I'm writing. Worked flawlessly with Hardy and Jaunty, couldn't function as anything other than a 3.5" floppy under 11.1. Swapped it out with a Compaq LS-120 I had here, and I'm functioning again. I shipped the Mat****a to a developer that hung out in the hardware forum and he's been been burning a lot of cycles trying to figure out why it isn't correctly recognized. If he figures out the IDE-ATAPI issue with that, you should send him an email to see if he wants to play with your CD next. It might be the same issue. Is the brand name Mat****a? It wasn't until after Panasonic took them over that their things started conforming to prug&pray interfaces.

[microchip8]

Originally Posted by seasoned_geek

Yet, this is exactly what determines it. Like it or not. If Toshiba (and its genric WinBook) use sucky hardware, but happen to gain the largest customer base, it doesn't matter if OpenSuSE every other notebook on the face of the planet, it doesn't support some portion of the largest use base, therefore its support blows.
Ubuntu is very good about supporting bottom-feeder hardware, which is one of the main reasons a NetBook version of the distro was warmly received.



One cannot simply count the complaints, one must properly age the complaints. Hardware which didn't work in the initial release of Hardy, but worked by the time Jaunty came out isn't really a current issue. One of the few nice things I did find, but not realize, with Ubuntu was that hardware support didn't "just go away" once it got added. Take this faxmodem problem which brought me here this week. Support just "went away" when they decided to shuffle around device locations and initing. I assume this is because HAL is going away in all distros and 11.x chose to get out the door rather than get it done right..

What??? you're saying that openSUSE doesn't support or is not as good as Ubuntu on bottom-feeder HW? OMFG, If I was religious, I'll be praying now to some God to give me power and shoot the clueless like you without being punished afterwards. Obviously, you're making very bold claims here, do you have something to back them up since the burden is on you as you make the claims? Also, you do realize that Lenovo is preloading SUSE on lappies these days, and Dell also offers SUSE if desired. I hope you're also aware that SUSE has Netbook versions and Moblin versions which just so happens to work quite well. Also, again, Lenovo is preloading netbooks with SLED which is basically the same as openSUSE, with few changes here and there.

As for your second paragraph, the same goes for SUSE so you proved here nothing at all. Thus, as I see your arguments are too bold without any proof (excluding your problems with the modem and OOo), I just won't spend any more time with you since it's pretty clear that your claims are not worth my time, nor the typing, nor the space on this forum itself.