IBM, Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat gang up on Vista

[buckesfeld]

On 08/07/2008 Magic31 wrote:
> Lol.. well, it's a good thing that they (meaning the big 3 distros)
> are showing a joint effort in such a project.

I'd love to see a vendor bundling his hardware with Opensuse. SLED just doesn't cut it.

Uwe

[john_hudson]

Originally Posted by dragonbite

Isn't Symphony based on OpenOffice.org ?

No Symphony is actually the name of Lotus' original attempt at an Office suite from the 1980s and IBM is using it for the combination of Lotus (spreadsheet), Lotus Words (formally Samni Ami wordprocessor), Lotus Notes (IBM's own office integration software) and ? possibly ? Lotus Approach (database).

It now uses the OASIS file formats as default but otherwise it has no connection with OpenOffice.

[Magic31]

Originally Posted by buckesfeld

On 08/07/2008 Magic31 wrote:[color=blue]
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I'd love to see a vendor bundling his hardware with Opensuse. SLED just doesn't cut it.

The problem with SLED, imo, is mainly that it's age is showing (e.g. DE & software getting out of date) Let's see how SLED 11 comes out of the package

[buckesfeld]

On 08/07/2008 Magic31 wrote:
> The problem with SLED, imo, is mainly that it's age is showing (e.g.
> DE & software getting out of date) Let's see how SLED 11 comes out of
> the package

It will grow old, too :-)
Personally I like the Ubuntu approach: Make one release a long term support version.

Uwe

[Magic31]

Originally Posted by buckesfeld

Personally I like the Ubuntu approach: Make one release a long term support version.

How does that differ with Novell's approach using SP's to bring certain bits to date.
Ubuntu's LTS also has 'older' versions of software included?! True it cycles slightly quicker but I always had the impression it was a similar scheme with a distro version for stable (LTS) & another for cutting edge - SLED / openSUSE similarity?

[69_rs_ss]

Uwe Buckesfeld wrote:
> On 08/07/2008 Magic31 wrote:
>> The problem with SLED, imo, is mainly that it's age is showing (e.g.
>> DE & software getting out of date) Let's see how SLED 11 comes out of
>> the package
>
> It will grow old, too :-)
> Personally I like the Ubuntu approach: Make one release a long term
> support version.
> Uwe
Isn't that the idea behind SLED?

[buckesfeld]

On 08/07/2008 69_rs_ss wrote:
> Isn't that the idea behind SLED?

Nope, SLED is based on a certain Opensuse code base, that's all.
Uwe

[buckesfeld]

On 08/07/2008 Magic31 wrote:
> How does that differ with Novell's approach using SP's to bring
> certain bits to date.

You can update an Ubuntu LTS version with software from the regular online repositories, and you can update it to the next version (losing long term support, of course). This leverages the community effort; people aren't extremely eager packaging stuff for SLED.

> Ubuntu's LTS also has 'older' versions of
> software included?! True it's cycles slightly quicker but I always
> had the impression it was a similar scheme with a distro version for
> stable (LTS) & another for cutting edge - SLED / openSUSE similarity?

No, it's just one version of Ubuntu and they try to do better and deeper tests during the Beta for LTS versions. You can get Canonical support for all Ubuntu versions, that's another big difference.

Uwe

[dragonbite]

Maybe SLED and SLES needs a 3rd version, SLCE (suse linux consumer edition) which aligns with openSUSE on a more 1:1 basis.

SLES (SUSE Linux Enterprise Server) understandably tweaked for stability with the focus on server related materials. Carries service subscription.

SLED (SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop) understandably being focused on desktops for enterprises so it will be focused on stability and manageability over "cutting edge". Also carries a service subscription.

SLCE (SUSE Linux Consumer Edition) would have the stability of SUSE(openSUSE) but would include such things as more up-to-date software, ease of use and much-wanted multimedia support (pay the licenses).

Even if only on pre-installed systems, when you pay for the hardware as small portion goes to paying the codecs licensing. This way you don't have to do anything "grey area" to legally play audio/video files.

Or Novell can sell boxes of DVDs, with the cost covering packaging AND the necessary codecs/binaries license fees in an add-on CD.

I wonder if that would then get more software vendors on board because the vendor would be protected via the binary and they don't have to make somebody go and install anything to get the same out-of-the-box experience they do with other OSs, could include Acrobat, Flash, etc.

[Magic31]

Originally Posted by buckesfeld

You can update an Ubuntu LTS version with software from the regular online repositories, and you can update it to the next version (losing long term support, of course). This leverages the community effort;

Valid point

people aren't extremely eager packaging stuff for SLED.

Well, that's where OBS (build service) comes in. I can find many packages suitable for SLED & getting multimedia and other related add-ons without much pain.

No, it's just one version of Ubuntu and they try to do better and deeper tests during the Beta for LTS versions. You can get Canonical support for all Ubuntu versions, that's another big difference.

Well, there is a fine line as Novell also supports the openSUSE side of things fixing bugs and putting much needed effort in..
So I think this is more a different shade of gray.

Dragonbite's suggestion doesn't sound bad though! & seems to line up with your pitch.

Might not a bad idea!

Cheers,
Wj