oldcpu mention in applications about Welcome to applications

[1michael1]

Hi,
oldcpu mention in applications about Welcome to applications add on about Repositories few more things and is:
My suggestions!

This is Repositories - openSUSE-factory thats the one and let others know about mixing Repositories.
That is missing .

Cheers

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by 1michael1

Hi,
oldcpu mention in applications about Welcome to applications add on about Repositories few more things and is:
My suggestions!

This is Repositories - openSUSE-factory thats the one and let others know about mixing Repositories.
That is missing .

Cheers

I think I have that covered discretely here:
openSUSE Forums - View Single Post - NEWBIES - Suse-11.1 Pre-installation – PLEASE READ
where I include this link:
Repositories/11.1 - openSUSE-Community

In many posts (but not in the installation guide) I always recommend new users add only 4 repos: OSS, Non-OSS, Update and Packman.

I deliberately did NOT include the following two links:

• official repos: Package Repositories - openSUSE
• 3rd party repos: Additional YaST Package Repositories - openSUSE

because my experience has been that new users immediately add as many repos as they possibly can, thinking it will make their openSUSE installation better by having all the latest and greatest applications. Instead, by adding too many repos, some of them end up installing a bunch of incompatible beta versions, and break their install completely.

I was afraid by adding those links, I would encourage such newbie dangerous behaviour.

I also did not put the above words in the guide, because I KNOW some users will disagree with my limited repository recommendation, as many medium to advanced users (who can sort multiple repos) think adding a zillion repos is a good idea. Some may even think newbies should learn by the school of hard knocks, even if it means trashing an install. Others disagree with my Packman recommendation, and instead recommend videolan (with which I disagree for newbies).

So I simply skirted the issue, I took a political fence sitting stance, as opposed to taking sides and pushing my view in a forum guide.

I hope that explains why.

[caf4926]

'oldcpu'
Your recommendation of a small number of repo's is conservative but I have to concur with it as a general recommendation. Not that I follow it myself exactly, but I really don't stray far. Certainly not as far as I could.

New users really need to experience a solid and lasting installation. Your recommendation will certainly achieve that. It's just the pull of all the 'Bells and Whistles' that can lead to disaster.

Well done 'oldcpu'. We all benefit from your hard work here.

[1michael1]

@oplcpu
Did you incl.Repositories - openSUSE-factory and updates?
If yes could you please direct us where it is.
Thank you for your generosity and I appreciate very much

caf4926 he said :

Well done 'oldcpu'. We all benefit from your hard work here.

That is the true

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by 1michael1

@oplcpu
Did you incl.Repositories - openSUSE-factory and updates?

The link in the new users guide explains how to setup repositories, and it specifically mentions OSS, Non-OSS, Main Update and Packman.
Repositories/11.1 - openSUSE-Community

I don't view the openSUSE-factory and updates as something new users should be setting up. Those repositories tend to have many beta applications, that can cause havoc with a new user's PC. Of course average and expert users can typically navigate their way through the selection of applications on such repositories, while new users would have major problems with the applications being unable to make any sort of sensible selection.

It may be worth while for an average/advanced users guide to be created with that sort of information, ... put together by someone who has the time to create such a guide. It may be difficult to put together without some controversy, as Linux by nature is all about choice, and with such a wide choice available, the more one learns, the more opinions diverge.

> So I simply skirted the issue, I took a political fence sitting stance,
> as opposed to taking sides and pushing my view in a forum guide.

it is a forum guide or YOUR guide?

either way, i think it is great and believe it should reflect *all* of
YOUR recommendations for noobs..

if others want to build (or fork) a noob guide which includes paths to
teach how much frustration a nightly build's bugs can produce--then,
let them do that (but, don't unlock yours for their diddling)..

--
nom de plume

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by nom de plume

> So I simply skirted the issue, I took a political fence sitting stance,
> as opposed to taking sides and pushing my view in a forum guide.

it is a forum guide or YOUR guide?

Its in truth intended as a "forum" guide that I obtained fellow mod/amin agreement to post, and then I have cobbled it together with a LOT of help from people, many of whom know more than I about Linux. Its grown and been improved over each of the various openSUSE versions.

But confess I have tried to walk a "political" fence in some cases, to avoid passing recommendations that could be considered contentious.

> But confess I have tried to walk a "political" fence in some cases, to
> avoid passing recommendations that could be considered contentious.

your call...but, my two cents would have the "forum's guide" FOR
NEWBIES recommend the four repos and then caveat with something like:

Some who have advanced past the newbie stage think it is better to
select more than these four--and you may also, when the time comes.

--
nom de plume

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by nom de plume

> But confess I have tried to walk a "political" fence in some cases, to
> avoid passing recommendations that could be considered contentious.

your call...but, my two cents would have the "forum's guide" FOR
NEWBIES recommend the four repos and then caveat with something like:

Some who have advanced past the newbie stage think it is better to
select more than these four--and you may also, when the time comes.

I think thats good advice. I'll look for a place to add words to that effect to the guide (assuming there are no major objections).

[1michael1]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

The link in the new users guide explains how to setup repositories, and it specifically mentions OSS, Non-OSS, Main Update and Packman.
Repositories/11.1 - openSUSE-Community

I don't view the openSUSE-factory and updates as something new users should be setting up. Those repositories tend to have many beta applications, that can cause havoc with a new user's PC. Of course average and expert users can typically navigate their way through the selection of applications on such repositories, while new users would have major problems with the applications being unable to make any sort of sensible selection.

It may be worth while for an average/advanced users guide to be created with that sort of information, ... put together by someone who has the time to create such a guide. It may be difficult to put together without some controversy, as Linux by nature is all about choice, and with such a wide choice available, the more one learns, the more opinions diverge.

You right about that now I understand now what your are saying