Ubuntu vs OpenSUSE

**runxc1** · 30-Jun-2009, 15:06

This really depends on what you are doing. For a .Net Developer OpenSuse is better than Ubuntu

**TaraIkeda** · 30-Jun-2009, 17:20

Originally Posted by runxc1

This really depends on what you are doing. For a .Net Developer OpenSuse is better than Ubuntu

yes but its easy enough to install and maintain Mono on Ubuntu for .Net

Heres my take on the matter:

Ubuntu Gnome VS OpenSuse Gnome:
Gnome on Ubuntu is perhaps the best implementation of Gnome next to Fedora and Debian.
But Gnome looks like **** on OpenSuse sorry to say, I dislike SLAB and even though I know I can get the traditional menu's set up it still doesnt feel right.
Also Ubuntu has a lot of nice customization packages for Nautilus and stuff, gksu-nautilus comes real handy.
OpenSuse doesnt have it, to use the file manager under root its all terminal...

Ubuntu w/KDE and Kubuntu vs OpenSuse KDE:
I dont see why everyone says OpenSuse has the best KDE, as so far KDE works the same in both Kubuntu and OpenSuse.
KDE4 is not much different either.
The only real advantage that OpenSuse has is that you can more easily find KDE3, for Ubuntu if you use later versions like Intrepid or Jaunty you have to enable extra repositories to get it that are not officially maintained by Ubuntu.
For KDE3 the advantage might go to OpenSuse but for KDE4 I really dont see any amazing differences... yet.
Once KDE 4.3 and 4.4 come out we will see the winner here.

Package management:
For me I still think Synaptic is the best package manager I have ever encountered.
Yast2 is alright but it just doesnt feel the same, plus with it auto closing off in OpenSuse 11.1 I prefer Synaptic as it allows me to cover any packages I forgot...
Why Yast2 autocloses in OpenSuse 11.1 and not 11.0 I dunno but I think its a stupid idea.

Multimedia:
Alright here I think Ubuntu truly stands over OpenSuse, with Medibuntu, Ubuntu restricted extras and stuff Ubuntu for me at least is more easy then OpenSuse.
I think multimedia is a major weak spot for OpenSuse.

Stability:
Tie, at least between Ubuntu Hardy and OpenSuse 11.0.
But for Ubuntu 8.10 vs OpenSuse 11.1, 8.10 worked better for me but only by a very small margin.
As for Ubuntu 9.04 vs 11.1, both suck on my system.

Keeping up to date:
Winner here goes to OpenSuse here actually now that I have used it more, its a little easier keeping the system and packages up to date and keep stability on OpenSuse vs Ubuntu.
Granted Ubuntu has the PPA's but sometimes they dont work...

Ease of use in general:
Tie

Performance:
Tie

Community Support:
Tie

**deano_ferrari** · 30-Jun-2009, 20:19

Thanks for your take on things Taralkeda. Enjoyed reading this concise comparison.

**caf4926** · 30-Jun-2009, 22:16

Having only limited experience with Ub* and it's variants, be they directly from Canonical or Distros strongly based on Ub* like Mint. The only comment I would make is I find the installer rather less configurable than I would like. From a PowerUsers point of view, openSUSE manages all the partitioning, fstab options and bootloader config much more effectively. Have you noticed Ub* partitioning seems to default to creating an extended partition during a custom partitioning process.

**didencool** · 01-Jul-2009, 00:06

But Gnome looks like **** on OpenSuse sorry to say, I dislike SLAB and even though I know I can get the traditional menu's set up it still doesnt feel right.

I disagree with you @this
this is the best implementation of gnome. it minimalistick
if you argue that 2 panels better then one.

)) 4 better then 2
did you thinking about how many cost one pixel of monitor?

from other hand it is quiet easy make look like u*u
(yes but its easy enough to install and maintain Mono on Ubuntu for .Net)

Also Ubuntu has a lot of nice customization packages for Nautilus and stuff, gksu-nautilus comes real handy.

as for me personally i did not use this, and I am happy enough with opensuse wo this feature.
I always can run su or sudo from terminal if this needed

As for Ubuntu 9.04 vs 11.1, both suck on my system.

???

epilog
I am really start thinking that is no matter what distro did you use.
but you can not change philosophy of distro.
and when mark superhero write some post
Mark Shuttleworth � Blog Archive � Welcome, OpenSUSE developers!
i can not forget this, i am sure
it is not worthy of human dignity, such a level(this is gg translation, i did not know how to say it right in english)
Also I was very embarrassed by Canonical LTD(translation) that is registered in London and all know that it is South Africa Republic.
And this is only things why I did not like u*u it is not distro problem. As for me I preffered Debian, if i really think to change opensuse to something different.

**didencool** · 01-Jul-2009, 00:29

PS:
and some replics more
1. I read somewhere that u-devs with their biggest community less active in for example kernel development. So they use a lot of work by other distromakers, without doing things themselves.
@TaraIkeda can you have any statistic how much code was back in community by u-project? it not a problem for GPL but this can be ethical problem
2. Novell is great company, that is needed help of community. They made so many to opensource that earned respect.
3. If Novell goes down, who will be sponsored opensource development?

**GofBorg** · 01-Jul-2009, 09:33

> OpenSuse doesnt have it, to use the file manager under root its all
> terminal...

By default KDE/SuSE includes a pre-built icons under System>Filemanager to
run Konqueror or Dolphin in SuperUser mode. So your assertion is icorrect.

I'm sure the usability and safety squad have removed the appropriate click
boxes in GNOME, but you can create your own superuser icons in KDE. Right
click on the icon for let's say Dolphin. Go to the 'Icon Settings' for the
icon. Click on the 'Application' tab, then the 'advanced options' at the
bottom. Click the box for 'Run as different user', and put root for the
username.

Bam! Done. Your Dolphin icon will launch Dolphin as root.

Now mind you, I don't recommend doing it often enough to actually modify the
icon like this but I do have it that way on a couple of servers where I need
to move files about quickly and without permissions hassles.

**TaraIkeda** · 01-Jul-2009, 16:32

I disagree with you @this this is the best implementation of gnome. it minimalistick if you argue that 2 panels better then one.

)) 4 better then 2
did you thinking about how many cost one pixel of monitor?

Actually with my monitor the two panel layout works better for me anyway at least when gnome is concerned.
I have a limit of 1024x768 on this monitor so I use double panels on Gnome as if I dont my taskbar gets cluttered...

as for me personally i did not use this, and I am happy enough with opensuse wo this feature.
I always can run su or sudo from terminal if this needed

My post is more of an ease of use perspective, its just easier with gksu-nautilus for most.

1. I read somewhere that u-devs with their biggest community less active in for example kernel development. So they use a lot of work by other distromakers, without doing things themselves.

Well yes Ubuntu doesnt have as much kernel devleopment of its own but it will soon most likely

@TaraIkeda can you have any statistic how much code was back in community by u-project? it not a problem for GPL but this can be ethical problem.

There isnt much now as i have mentioned but I think in the near future Ubuntu will open more of its code

2. Novell is great company, that is needed help of community. They made so many to opensource that earned respect.

My feelings on Novell are soso, on one hand yes I know they put a lot into linux but at the same time thier deals with Microsoft brings a lot into question.

3. If Novell goes down, who will be sponsored opensource development?

My guess is Canonical, I think Shuttleworth does have plans for that occurrence if it ever happens.
Right now not much on the Ubuntu side looks in favor of other distros but Ubuntu and Canonical are very new compared to Novell.

Originally Posted by GofBorg

> OpenSuse doesnt have it, to use the file manager under root its all
> terminal...

By default KDE/SuSE includes a pre-built icons under System>Filemanager to
run Konqueror or Dolphin in SuperUser mode. So your assertion is icorrect.

I'm sure the usability and safety squad have removed the appropriate click
boxes in GNOME, but you can create your own superuser icons in KDE. Right
click on the icon for let's say Dolphin. Go to the 'Icon Settings' for the
icon. Click on the 'Application' tab, then the 'advanced options' at the
bottom. Click the box for 'Run as different user', and put root for the
username.

Bam! Done. Your Dolphin icon will launch Dolphin as root.

Now mind you, I don't recommend doing it often enough to actually modify the
icon like this but I do have it that way on a couple of servers where I need
to move files about quickly and without permissions hassles.

I was referring to the Gnome version of OpenSuse not the KDE version.
The KDE version does have the root browser but I did not see one in the gnome version

**CloudLion_ca** · 01-Jul-2009, 19:21

Ubooobooo.... vs The RePMtile ...

No fair Uboobooo bites and can't be compared to OpenSuSE 11.0 with KDE 3.5. Then again OpenSuSE 11.1 can't really fairly compare to OpenSuSE 11.0. Plus OpenSuSE has YaST... and that kicks some serious butane.