Suggestions for openSUSE-11.2 New User Installation stickie?

[oldcpu]

If you have any suggestions about the "New User" general or openSUSE-11.2 specific installation stickies, which are located here:

NEW Users - openSuse Pre-install (general) � PLEASE READ - openSUSE Forums
and here:
NEW Users - Suse-11.2 Pre-installation � PLEASE READ - openSUSE Forums

please reply here in this current thread (and not in those locked threads). In particular NNTP users reply on this thread, and NOT on the locked stickies threads.

As appropriate, the mods and the admin can update that stickie to correct errors, or improve the guidance.

For example, I'm also still pondering the recommendations from the 11.1 stickie:
Suggestions for openSUSE-11.1 New User Installation stickie? - openSUSE Forums

... of course we all have our own pet things to do after a new install.

Typically, my very first things to do after a fresh openSUSE installation are

• get internet functioning
• setup my repositories for easy software installation (ONLY oss, non-oss, update and packman) [No others. None. None!! Others to be added later only after one understands implications and how to work around problems that can crop up]
• update my multimedia (to have entertaining music for remainder of setup)
• tune desktop and install other custom applications ..

But sometimes even that is too advanced for new users, as they are struggling just to download Linux and find some way to get Linux to boot !!

So please read the referenced stickie. And this thread is for general suggestions. If your suggestions don't make it in right away, don't be discouraged. Sometimes we can not think as fast as you when it comes to recognizing good ideas,... so just give us some time to come around.

Thank you for your input.

[Knurpht]

Read it. A good start. Seems all needed info is within a mouse-click. But.....it is a lot. I've been thinking about some kind of simple sheet, dive in to it and post as soon as I have a bit more time.

[palladium]

> If you have any suggestions about the "New User" openSUSE-11.2
> installation stickie, which is located here:
>
> < location URL TBD >
>
> please reply here in this current thread (and not in that locked
> thread). In particular NNTP users reply on this thread, and NOT on the
> locked stickie thread.

well....i would (maybe) have some input, but i have no idea where to
go to see what you have proposed...

on the other hand, i was pretty darn pleased with earlier versions,
and suggested reading/following those, *often*..

but, without seeing it i guess i'd suggest a short how-to on what 'we'
mean when we say "open a terminal" (and/or "open a root terminal")
which is not part of the language tool kit available to a huge
majority of of the Redmond Ship Jumpers and Bloody Edge Chasers who
land on our porch..

maybe you will post again with the URL?

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palladium
Have a lot of fun..

[dvhenry]

I would like to see the basics of posting CLI output to a thread, in a prominent place for new users.
And yes I know it is simple!

[rbackus]

I am surprised about the amount of information. I had an issue with vlc. I read the forum and found the answer. I was unable to thank the person who helped. Really new to forums.

[Winux2]

Though I've found links for package naming, reference of which release number is considered highest/newer eludes me (link's anyone?).

New users should be certain of the release numbering scheme before allowing "zypper dup" to update packages. Zypper seems to choose the higher release number as the update ie. -30.1 over -3.1.2 so, if -30.1 is the highest/newer release, no problem.

In this example of two like package versions, which release is highest/newer?
Linphone 3.4.3-30.1 <CI_CNT>.<B_CNT>
Linphone 3.4.3-3.1.2 {?release_prefix}.<CI_CNT>.<B_CNT> (I'm guessing at this)

[robin_listas]

On 2011-11-16 18:26, Winux2 wrote:
> New users should be certain of the release numbering scheme before
> allowing "zypper dup" to update packages

Careful there.
If what is in the repo is older than what you have installed, a zypper dup
will downgrade to whatever is in the repo.

Zypper dup doesn't mean update to the newest.

--
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar)

[Winux2]

On 2011-11-16 18:26, Winux2 wrote:
> New users should be certain of the release numbering scheme before
> allowing "zypper dup" to update packages

Careful there.
If what is in the repo is older than what you have installed, a zypper dup
will downgrade to whatever is in the repo.

Zypper dup doesn't mean update to the newest.

That is my understanding as well, thank you.
I was using the term "update" to mean "a change" (downgrade or upgrade).
However, the release/revision numbering remains an issue for me since I've received conflicting opinions in reference to my example of Linephone. I've been told that Linphone 3.4.3-30.1 is not newer than Linphone 3.4.3-3.1.2 even though zypper thinks it is. So my issue remains, should zypper be allowed to change (upgrade/downgrade) packages just because the first number(s) in the revision are higher (-30.1 vs -3.1.2)?

[DenverD]

On 12/14/2011 09:56 AM, Winux2 wrote:
> I've been told that Linphone 3.4.3-30.1 is not newer than
> Linphone 3.4.3-3.1.2

who told you that?

i ask because 30 has always been after 3 as far as i can remember...and,
unless the Linphone use non-standard package numbering schemes then both
4 and 30 come after 3!!

but, don't ask us, ask the folks who must know: http://www.linphone.org/

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DD
openSUSE®, the "German Engineered Automobiles" of operating systems!

[robin_listas]

On 2011-12-14 09:56, Winux2 wrote:
> However, the release/revision numbering remains an issue for me since
> I've received conflicting opinions in reference to my example of
> Linephone. I've been told that Linphone 3.4.3-30.1 is not newer than
> Linphone 3.4.3-3.1.2 even though zypper thinks it is. So my issue
> remains, should zypper be allowed to change (upgrade/downgrade) packages
> just because the first number(s) in the revision are higher (-*30*.1 vs
> -*3*.1.2)?

If that is the case, there is nothing zypper can do. That's a mistake of
Linephone, they are using badly the version numbers and confusing package
managers. Provided that indeed they have done that, which is doubtful.

--
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar)