windowmaker in KDE

Can anyone tellme how to use windowmaker as the window manager for KDE, or
point me to some documentation?

Any and all help appreciated.

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Rick

Rick wrote:
> Can anyone tellme how to use windowmaker as the window manager for KDE, or
> point me to some documentation?
>
> Any and all help appreciated.
>
Try www.windowmaker.org

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:35:48 +0000, brooklynboy wrote:

> Rick wrote:
>> Can anyone tellme how to use windowmaker as the window manager for KDE,
>> or point me to some documentation?
>>
>> Any and all help appreciated.
>>
> Try www.windowmaker.org

Been there.

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Rick

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:33:23 GMT
Rick <none@nomail.com> wrote:

> Can anyone tellme how to use windowmaker as the window manager for
> KDE, or point me to some documentation?
>

You may lose some (or much) functionality of KDE with another window
manager -- this is often the case with desktop managers, they tend to
rely on certain basic 'givens'.

My suggestion would be to run WindowMaker in a separate X session as
it's own desktop and just switch between it and KDE to see which you
prefer. (If this is what you are wondering.) To do this, do:

(press Ctrl-Alt-F2)
(login as your normal user)
startx windowmaker -- :1

and then you can switch to KDE with Ctrl-Alt-F7 and WindowMaker with
Ctrl-Alt-F8. If you want even more X sessions, do:

(press Ctrl-Alt-F3)
(login as your normal user)
startx icewm -- :2

(assuming you have 'icewm' installed) and now you can switch between
the three of them:

Ctrl-Alt-F7 = KDE
Ctrl-Alt-F8 = WindowMaker
Ctrl-Alt-F9 = icewm

Otherwise, could you explain *why* you want to replace 'kwin'? Might
have more (or better) info for you if we know what you want to
accomplish . . .


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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:45:34 +0000, Kevin Nathan wrote:

(snip)
>
> Otherwise, could you explain *why* you want to replace 'kwin'? Might have
> more (or better) info for you if we know what you want to accomplish . . .

I like windowmaker's dock. I like being able to just hit the icon and go
to the desktop, as well as using it to start those applications I use most.

I have used kasbar, but its fonts don't seem to format properly. For
instance the clock doesn't show the whole time. I have used the 'start on
dektop' feature of KDE's task bar, but it seems easily confused, and has,
in the past, started apps in the wrong place.

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Rick

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:45:34 +0000, Kevin Nathan wrote:
(snip)
> Otherwise, could you explain *why* you want to replace 'kwin'? Might have
> more (or better) info for you if we know what you want to accomplish . . .

I like windowmaker's dock. I like being able to just hit the icon and go
to the desktop, as well as using it to start those applications I use most.

I have used kasbar, but its fonts don't seem to format properly. For
instance the clock doesn't show the whole time. I have used the 'start on
dektop' feature of KDE's task bar, but it seems easily confused, and has,
in the past, started apps in the wrong place.
--
Rick

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:46:22 GMT
Rick <none@nomail.com> wrote:

> I like windowmaker's dock. I like being able to just hit the icon and
> go to the desktop, as well as using it to start those applications I
> use most.
>

The quick answer is: just use windowmaker and forget KDE.

The problem you will run into is that KDE/kwin are pretty well
intertwined -- remember, KDE is a *desktop* environment that uses an
underlying window manager. Some (maybe a lot?) of it's functionality
might be based on that underlying window manager and changing it could
break things. Just some thoughts . . . :-)

Seriously, try out all the window managers and desktop managers to see
which ones 'fit' you best. If WindowMaker is comfortable, just use it.
I like icewm for most of my daily work (although I've been using KDE
much more than normal lately) and wm2 for any work I need to do as
root. Running all three at once (in three separate sessions, of
course!) allows me to switch to which ever one is best suited for the
job at hand.

I've also started re-investigating all the other wm/dm and have been
finding some intriguing concepts in some of them . . . :-)


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Novell Support Forums Volunteer SysOp
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:44:27 +0000, Kevin Nathan wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:46:22 GMT
> Rick <none@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>> I like windowmaker's dock. I like being able to just hit the icon and go
>> to the desktop, as well as using it to start those applications I use
>> most.
>>
>>
> The quick answer is: just use windowmaker and forget KDE.
>
> The problem you will run into is that KDE/kwin are pretty well intertwined
> -- remember, KDE is a *desktop* environment that uses an underlying window
> manager. Some (maybe a lot?) of it's functionality might be based on that
> underlying window manager and changing it could break things. Just some
> thoughts . . . :-)
>
> Seriously, try out all the window managers and desktop managers to see
> which ones 'fit' you best. If WindowMaker is comfortable, just use it. I
> like icewm for most of my daily work (although I've been using KDE much
> more than normal lately) and wm2 for any work I need to do as root.
> Running all three at once (in three separate sessions, of course!) allows
> me to switch to which ever one is best suited for the job at hand.
>
> I've also started re-investigating all the other wm/dm and have been
> finding some intriguing concepts in some of them . . . :-)

I am staying in WindowMaker most of the time. I have found the script that
will read KDE menus into WindowMaker's, although Suse's WindowMaker
already has a populated Suse menu.

KDE with Kasbar is not too bad, but kasbar is not very configurable, from
what I can see.

Thanks.

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Rick