install OLD programs

i really can't use the Pan that comes with SUSE 10.2 (v 0.119) while the
old one (v 0.14.2) which came with 10.1 worked just like i liked..

i try to use yast to install pan-0.14.2-101.i586.rpm but it INSISTS on
installing the version that comes with 10.2..

i try to install from the command line and it complains of failed
dependency

libgnet-2.0.so.0

so, i find that on the 10.1 disk and put it into /opt/gnome/lib (where i
lived on 10.1, and STILL i can't install for the same dependency failure..

why is it so hard to install the OLD Pan, which worked for me??

DenverD
ps: don't ask why not just use KNode or Thunderbird...the answer is i'm
on a retro-venue where most folks use a terminal and either telnet or
ssh in....they have, also, an nntp translator which worked ok with the
old Pan....it doesn't seem to work at all with the new pan, knode OR
thunderbird..

DenverD wrote:

> i really can't use the Pan that comes with SUSE 10.2 (v 0.119) while the
> old one (v 0.14.2) which came with 10.1 worked just like i liked..
>
> i try to use yast to install pan-0.14.2-101.i586.rpm but it INSISTS on
> installing the version that comes with 10.2..
>
> i try to install from the command line and it complains of failed
> dependency
>
> libgnet-2.0.so.0
>
> so, i find that on the 10.1 disk and put it into /opt/gnome/lib (where i
> lived on 10.1, and STILL i can't install for the same dependency failure..
>
> why is it so hard to install the OLD Pan, which worked for me??
>
> DenverD
> ps: don't ask why not just use KNode or Thunderbird...the answer is i'm
> on a retro-venue where most folks use a terminal and either telnet or
> ssh in....they have, also, an nntp translator which worked ok with the
> old Pan....it doesn't seem to work at all with the new pan, knode OR
> thunderbird..

Did you run the ldconfig utility once you had copied the so.0 file? The
library configuration needs to be updated once the file is in place.

J

--
Pye, James Pye, chmod 007
The Ultimate Open Source

Jim Pye wrote:
> DenverD wrote:
>
>> i really can't use the Pan that comes with SUSE 10.2 (v 0.119) while the
>> old one (v 0.14.2) which came with 10.1 worked just like i liked..
>>
>> i try to use yast to install pan-0.14.2-101.i586.rpm but it INSISTS on
>> installing the version that comes with 10.2..
>>
>> i try to install from the command line and it complains of failed
>> dependency
>>
>> libgnet-2.0.so.0
>>
>> so, i find that on the 10.1 disk and put it into /opt/gnome/lib (where i
>> lived on 10.1, and STILL i can't install for the same dependency failure..
>>
>> why is it so hard to install the OLD Pan, which worked for me??
>>
>> DenverD
>> ps: don't ask why not just use KNode or Thunderbird...the answer is i'm
>> on a retro-venue where most folks use a terminal and either telnet or
>> ssh in....they have, also, an nntp translator which worked ok with the
>> old Pan....it doesn't seem to work at all with the new pan, knode OR
>> thunderbird..
>
> Did you run the ldconfig utility once you had copied the so.0 file? The
> library configuration needs to be updated once the file is in place.
>
> J


hey J, thanks for the reply...no, i didn't run it as i had *no* idea i
should have (i *want* to be a simple user, only...i only raise the hood
when i *must*...and, to avoid the Dark Side i *must* often)..

so, i looked at "man ldconfig" and see more command line options that i
don't understand than those that i do....maybe you could surmise the
magic incantation from afar....would you guess this would be safe (run
as root):

ldconfig -v -n /opt/gnome/lib

tia,
DenverD

DenverD wrote:

.....
> so, i looked at "man ldconfig" and see more command line options that i
> don't understand than those that i do....maybe you could surmise the
> magic incantation from afar....would you guess this would be safe (run
> as root):
>
> ldconfig -v -n /opt/gnome/lib
>

Hi DenverD,

the /opt/gnome/lib is listed in /etc/ld.so.conf so running
ldconfig
will suffice.
The problem is that rpm db will have no clue that libgnet-2.0.so.0 is
installed and will complain. So you should tell YaST to ignore that
dependency and proceed, or install it separately using rpm program.

--
Regards, Rajko.
http://en.opensuse.org/Portal

DenverD wrote:

> Jim Pye wrote:
> hey J, thanks for the reply...no, i didn't run it as i had *no* idea i
> should have (i *want* to be a simple user, only...i only raise the hood
> when i *must*...and, to avoid the Dark Side i *must* often)..
>
> so, i looked at "man ldconfig" and see more command line options that i
> don't understand than those that i do....maybe you could surmise the
> magic incantation from afar....would you guess this would be safe (run
> as root):
>
> ldconfig -v -n /opt/gnome/lib
>
> tia,
> DenverD

As Rajko mentioned the ldconfig command without options, and run as root,
should surfice.

As the manpage mentions ldconfig looks through the directories defined in
the /etc/ld.so.conf file looking for library files that are not already
setup. Because you manually added the .so file the ldconfig needs to be
manually run.

The ldconfig command is automatically run when you use YaST to install
software so when an "official" package is installed via this method you do
not need to worry about it.

The advantage of using open source software is that you *can* look under the
hood, and if GNU/Linux distributors have done their job properly then you
should not have too. But it is nice to have the ability to be able to.

J

--
Pye, James Pye, chmod 007
The Ultimate Open Source

Jim Pye wrote:

> As Rajko mentioned the ldconfig command without options, and run as
> root, should surfice.

ok...thanks (to all) for the help, but it didn't work:


i ran ldconfig and tried the rpm again and got the same error..

so, i just ran "ldconfig -v" and to see what is happening and got a long
list of libs seen (and apparently processed by ldconfig), included:

<snip>
libgnet-2.0.so.0 -> libgnet-2.0.so.0
</snip>


so, ldconfig IS doing its thing with the lib...but, here is exactly what
i get when i try to install the old Pan, again:


# rpm -ivh pan-0.14.2-101.i586.rpm
error: Failed dependencies:
libgnet-2.0.so.0 is needed by pan-0.14.2-101.i586


strange and very frustrating....so much so i might just give up and use
Thunderbird (which is working here, and on the old system.)

DenverD </sigh>

DenverD wrote:

....
> so, ldconfig IS doing its thing with the lib...but, here is exactly what
> i get when i try to install the old Pan, again:
>
> # rpm -ivh pan-0.14.2-101.i586.rpm
> error: Failed dependencies:
> libgnet-2.0.so.0 is needed by pan-0.14.2-101.i586
>
>
> strange and very frustrating....so much so i might just give up and use
> Thunderbird (which is working here, and on the old system.)
>
> DenverD </sigh>

Install package from 10.2
gnet-2.0.7-49.i586.rpm
it contains exactly the same version of libgnet-2.0.so.0.6.1
as it is in 10.1.

You can do that using YaST so it will be included in rpm database of
installed packages and prevent rpm from complaining.

After it is installed you can use rpm as above, or mc (Midnight Commander).
See this page:
http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Comm...s#RPM_browsing

I downloaded old Pan
pan-0.14.2-101.i586.rpm
from ftp://ftp-1.gwdg.de
/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source/suse/i586/
using FTP browsing feature of Midnight Commander.
Open another root Midnight Commander, found downloaded file.
Marked it and press Enter.
Marked INSTALL and pressed Enter.
It started rpm and installed Pan with no complaints.

--
Regards, Rajko.
http://en.opensuse.org/Portal

Rajko M wrote:
> DenverD wrote:
>
> ...
>> so, ldconfig IS doing its thing with the lib...but, here is exactly what
>> i get when i try to install the old Pan, again:
>>
>> # rpm -ivh pan-0.14.2-101.i586.rpm
>> error: Failed dependencies:
>> libgnet-2.0.so.0 is needed by pan-0.14.2-101.i586
>>
>>
>> strange and very frustrating....so much so i might just give up and use
>> Thunderbird (which is working here, and on the old system.)
>>
>> DenverD </sigh>
>
> Install package from 10.2
> gnet-2.0.7-49.i586.rpm
> it contains exactly the same version of libgnet-2.0.so.0.6.1
> as it is in 10.1.
>
> You can do that using YaST so it will be included in rpm database of
> installed packages and prevent rpm from complaining.
>
> After it is installed you can use rpm as above, or mc (Midnight Commander).
> See this page:
> http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Comm...s#RPM_browsing
>
> I downloaded old Pan
> pan-0.14.2-101.i586.rpm
> from ftp://ftp-1.gwdg.de
> /pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source/suse/i586/
> using FTP browsing feature of Midnight Commander.
> Open another root Midnight Commander, found downloaded file.
> Marked it and press Enter.
> Marked INSTALL and pressed Enter.
> It started rpm and installed Pan with no complaints.
>

Rajko,
you are a genius, THANKS..

thanks for the tip on the gnet rpm, and MOST thanks for teaching me
something about Midnight Commander (which i use everyday!!, and used
File Commander everyday on OS/2, and even used Norton Commander [the
grandpappy] on DOS 6 and before)...but, i didn't know to use the INSTALL
executable inside the RPM, THANKS!!

DenverD
oh, and now the old Pan is installed and works like it used to--thanks!!

DenverD wrote:

> thanks for the tip on the gnet rpm, and MOST thanks for teaching me
> something about Midnight Commander (which i use everyday!!, and used
> File Commander everyday on OS/2, and even used Norton Commander [the
> grandpappy] on DOS 6 and before)...but, i didn't know to use the INSTALL
> executable inside the RPM, THANKS!!

You are welcome.
I'm trying to keep Midnight Commander alive as it is really good tool. That
is the purpose of the article on http://en.opensuse.org. If you run over
some nice trick or setting that is not included there feel to add it, or
use email that you can see in header, just kick out nospam, and tell me
where to look for it.

> DenverD
> oh, and now the old Pan is installed and works like it used to--thanks!!

I would look in new version from time to time as they include new features
all the time. As Pan user you can help developers by letting them know what
you as user like to have.

--
Regards, Rajko.
http://en.opensuse.org/Portal

>> oh, and now the old Pan is installed and works like it used to--thanks!!
>
> I would look in new version from time to time as they include new features
> all the time. As Pan user you can help developers by letting them know what
> you as user like to have.

yes..this is the second time in a year (or two) they changed the format
enough that the new version couldn't read/use ~/.pan

i just hate it when that happens!!


dd
sometimes progress for many is a pest to some!!