Xgl in suse 10.1

may be this theme was earlier, but I think it is steel actual.

I run Xgl on SuSE linux 10.1 kde 3.5.2
there are some bugs which I have notices:
1. task bar does not work at all, it does not show any opened windows.
2. whitchin on/off numlock works upside down... when I swith on it is off,
and when switching off it is turned on.
3. superkaramba's styles are shown over other windows.

does anybody know how to fix the first and the last bug?
and where to send bug report?

and one more:
in consol are problems... if I'm delating text using backspace, background
and font became same color

Rusudan Tsiskreli wrote:

> may be this theme was earlier, but I think it is steel actual.
>
> I run Xgl on SuSE linux 10.1 kde 3.5.2
> there are some bugs which I have notices:
> 1. task bar does not work at all, it does not show any opened windows.
> 2. whitchin on/off numlock works upside down... when I swith on it is off,
> and when switching off it is turned on.
> 3. superkaramba's styles are shown over other windows.
>
> does anybody know how to fix the first and the last bug?
> and where to send bug report?
>
> and one more:
> in consol are problems... if I'm delating text using backspace, background
> and font became same color
>
Those weird things you are experiencing are not bugs, but a feature.
You see, when you run XGL on KDE, you get KDE with the GNOME window manager,
and it would seem that it and KDE are not that good at playing nicely
together. So far, Compiz doesn't work with KDM, which is KDE's window
manager, the extension that will add that is in planning stages right now I
believe. If you want all the eye candy, I guess you have you run GNOME to
have a decent experience.

Troels Just wrote:
....
> Those weird things you are experiencing are not bugs, but a feature.
> You see, when you run XGL on KDE, you get KDE with the GNOME window manager,
> and it would seem that it and KDE are not that good at playing nicely
> together. So far, Compiz doesn't work with KDM, which is KDE's window
> manager, the extension that will add that is in planning stages right now I
> believe. If you want all the eye candy, I guess you have you run GNOME to
> have a decent experience.

compiz integrates well enough in place of KDE's window manager.
What you have stated is just plain false.

I use KDM/KDE and compiz with Xgl... works well enough for me.

Video here:
http://theendlessnow.com/ten/uP/Articles/xgl.mpg

thanks I found solution in other topick
but with other problems, espesialy with konsole...


Chris Cox wrote:

> Troels Just wrote:
> ...
>> Those weird things you are experiencing are not bugs, but a feature.
>> You see, when you run XGL on KDE, you get KDE with the GNOME window
>> manager, and it would seem that it and KDE are not that good at playing
>> nicely together. So far, Compiz doesn't work with KDM, which is KDE's
>> window manager, the extension that will add that is in planning stages
>> right now I believe. If you want all the eye candy, I guess you have you
>> run GNOME to have a decent experience.
>
> compiz integrates well enough in place of KDE's window manager.
> What you have stated is just plain false.
>
> I use KDM/KDE and compiz with Xgl... works well enough for me.
>
> Video here:
> http://theendlessnow.com/ten/uP/Articles/xgl.mpg

Chris Cox wrote:

> Troels Just wrote:
> ...
>> Those weird things you are experiencing are not bugs, but a feature.
>> You see, when you run XGL on KDE, you get KDE with the GNOME window
>> manager, and it would seem that it and KDE are not that good at playing
>> nicely together. So far, Compiz doesn't work with KDM, which is KDE's
>> window manager, the extension that will add that is in planning stages
>> right now I believe. If you want all the eye candy, I guess you have you
>> run GNOME to have a decent experience.
>
> compiz integrates well enough in place of KDE's window manager.
> What you have stated is just plain false.
>
> I use KDM/KDE and compiz with Xgl... works well enough for me.
>
> Video here:
> http://theendlessnow.com/ten/uP/Articles/xgl.mpg
>
I just watched the video you linked to, and I see the GNOME window manager
running on KDE.

If it wasn't the GNOME window manager, explain to me why you only have one
virtual desktop, and why the window manager looks seriously different.

Try to right click on the window decoration and you'll notice a GTK "context
menu".

Troels Just wrote:
> Chris Cox wrote:
>
>> Troels Just wrote:
>> ...
>>> Those weird things you are experiencing are not bugs, but a feature.
>>> You see, when you run XGL on KDE, you get KDE with the GNOME window
>>> manager, and it would seem that it and KDE are not that good at playing
>>> nicely together. So far, Compiz doesn't work with KDM, which is KDE's
>>> window manager, the extension that will add that is in planning stages
>>> right now I believe. If you want all the eye candy, I guess you have you
>>> run GNOME to have a decent experience.
>> compiz integrates well enough in place of KDE's window manager.
>> What you have stated is just plain false.
>>
>> I use KDM/KDE and compiz with Xgl... works well enough for me.
>>
>> Video here:
>> http://theendlessnow.com/ten/uP/Articles/xgl.mpg
>>
> I just watched the video you linked to, and I see the GNOME window manager
> running on KDE.
>
> If it wasn't the GNOME window manager, explain to me why you only have one
> virtual desktop, and why the window manager looks seriously different.

compiz is a window manager... it will run an displace the KDE window
manager just fine... that was my point.

KDM is the login manager... and I would think it wouldn't be
related to compiz or whatever in the least...

No offense, but since this is compiz, while you may only have
one desktop in the traditional sense, you do have faces on the cube.

>
> Try to right click on the window decoration and you'll notice a GTK "context
> menu".

True. None of this supports your assertion that compiz doesn't
work with KDE though. It actually works quite well. Can you
list specifics? You've obviously found some major short comings.
I know I'd be interested in knowing what the problems are.

Chris Cox wrote:
<snip>
> ....None of this supports your assertion that compiz doesn't
> work with KDE though. It actually works quite well. Can you
> list specifics? You've obviously found some major short comings.
> I know I'd be interested in knowing what the problems are.
>
>
>

Nothing major but annoying enough to make me try gnome to see if it was
better. One I found with Compiz & KDE was that the menus on KDE programs
(Most noticed with amaroK and K3b) would stop working. So did the K
menu. Also the Log out box was rarely visable so logging out was tricky
most of the time.

I then decided to give gnome another go (I have used KDE exclusively for
many years now) and these problems do not exist in gnome. Therefore it
seems apparent that Compiz does indeed prefer gnome (See the other
thread) but I am now back with KDE and no Compiz, gnome just is not the
desktop powerhouse I want. ROll on KDE4 when we have will hopefully have
a propper 3D desktop environment for KDE rather than a gnome app bolted
on ontop.

Regards

Craig

Craig Harrison wrote:
> Chris Cox wrote:
> <snip>
>>....None of this supports your assertion that compiz doesn't
>>work with KDE though. It actually works quite well. Can you
>>list specifics? You've obviously found some major short comings.
>>I know I'd be interested in knowing what the problems are.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Nothing major but annoying enough to make me try gnome to see if it was
> better. One I found with Compiz & KDE was that the menus on KDE programs
> (Most noticed with amaroK and K3b) would stop working. So did the K
> menu. Also the Log out box was rarely visable so logging out was tricky
> most of the time.

Never seen this problem. Perhaps it is a problem... but I've never
experienced it.


>
> I then decided to give gnome another go (I have used KDE exclusively for
> many years now) and these problems do not exist in gnome. Therefore it
> seems apparent that Compiz does indeed prefer gnome (See the other
> thread) but I am now back with KDE and no Compiz, gnome just is not the
> desktop powerhouse I want. ROll on KDE4 when we have will hopefully have
> a propper 3D desktop environment for KDE rather than a gnome app bolted
> on ontop.

Will be nice to see a comp mgr built into KDE that works with Xgl..
not optimistic about Novell's committment toward that though.

If Gnome were better, maybe we'd all switch to Gnome.... but
I hate the bugs in Gnome... tends to take out the entire
infrastructure... KDE, while it has its quirks, I don't
think I'm ever left with a totally unsuable desktop when
things go awry.... which happens to me a lot when I use
Gnome.

Chris Cox wrote:

<snip>

>> Nothing major but annoying enough to make me try gnome to see if it was
>> better. One I found with Compiz & KDE was that the menus on KDE programs
>> (Most noticed with amaroK and K3b) would stop working. So did the K
>> menu. Also the Log out box was rarely visable so logging out was tricky
>> most of the time.
>
> Never seen this problem. Perhaps it is a problem... but I've never
> experienced it.

I'm also seeing problems with menus, using gnome.

This mostly starts when using firefox - while the application menus
continue to work, the menus on the shortcut bar, and any extensions
(i.e. noscript) stop working. Sometimes minimizing the window,
switching to another cube face, then going back will get them to start
woring again, but not always.

Pages that use flash for menus seem to disable the functionality on a
pretty regular basis too.

Is there a good place to report this?

Chris Fullerton wrote:
> Chris Cox wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Nothing major but annoying enough to make me try gnome to see if it was
>>> better. One I found with Compiz & KDE was that the menus on KDE programs
>>> (Most noticed with amaroK and K3b) would stop working. So did the K
>>> menu. Also the Log out box was rarely visable so logging out was tricky
>>> most of the time.
>>
>> Never seen this problem. Perhaps it is a problem... but I've never
>> experienced it.
>
> I'm also seeing problems with menus, using gnome.
>
> This mostly starts when using firefox - while the application menus
> continue to work, the menus on the shortcut bar, and any extensions
> (i.e. noscript) stop working. Sometimes minimizing the window,
> switching to another cube face, then going back will get them to start
> woring again, but not always.
>
> Pages that use flash for menus seem to disable the functionality on a
> pretty regular basis too.
>
> Is there a good place to report this?
>

Not sure how ready folks at Novell are to handle Xgl bugs.. but you can
always try the instructions at:
http://en.opensuse.org/Submitting_Bug_Reports

Once you have a login, you can submit problem reports. As others
have mentioned, if it's not EXPLICITLY written up in the bug
report db, it won't get worked on... period...