Does Compiz Prefer Gnome To Kde?

Just installed Suse 10.1 with Xgl and Compiz enabled. In Gnome, everyting
works fine. In KDE I have a problem, however. When using Compiz, the
application launched do not appear in the taskbar, and once they are
minimized, they can no longer be reached. IIRC, same problem occurred
when I played with compiz in Suse 10.0. Any ideas how to fix it?

slonoinquisitor@gmail.com wrote:
> Just installed Suse 10.1 with Xgl and Compiz enabled. In Gnome, everyting
> works fine. In KDE I have a problem, however. When using Compiz, the
> application launched do not appear in the taskbar, and once they are
> minimized, they can no longer be reached. IIRC, same problem occurred
> when I played with compiz in Suse 10.0. Any ideas how to fix it?

Works fine for me (with limitations). However since (I'm guessing)
you are doing a hard replace of compiz, the default KDE window manager
is getting the rug pulled out from underneath it. It's simply a timing
issue.

Applications that want to sit in the system tray (which is what
I assume you mean by "taskbar") end up either sitting outside
of the system tray or just not at all (depends on the timing).

There might be some way to forcing a delay before nuking the
KDE window manager in preference of compiz.... but it may
well be that the other way around needs to happen (other startup
apps need to be delayed).. not totally sure.

> Works fine for me (with limitations). However since (I'm guessing)
> you are doing a hard replace of compiz, the default KDE window manager
> is getting the rug pulled out from underneath it. It's simply a timing
> issue.
I am not sure I understand you correctly Do you mean that this is a
temporary issue?

> Applications that want to sit in the system tray (which is what
> I assume you mean by "taskbar")
No, no. The system tray is the right corner where system clock sit and
where a few minimized programs can be found, like Kinternet or
zenupdater The taskbar, of which I spoke about, is located in the
center of the panel. It is like Mtaskbar, you know, but the one out of
the box. Every program I run is normally displayed in the taskbar with a
small rectangle. The problem is that the taskbar remains empty, with no
sign of the launched application, when I use compiz as the window manager
in KDE. And when I minimize the application window, it thus disappears
completely.

This blocks the normal work

slonoinquisitor@gmail.com wrote:
>> Works fine for me (with limitations). However since (I'm guessing)
>> you are doing a hard replace of compiz, the default KDE window manager
>> is getting the rug pulled out from underneath it. It's simply a timing
>> issue.
> I am not sure I understand you correctly Do you mean that this is a
> temporary issue?
>
>> Applications that want to sit in the system tray (which is what
>> I assume you mean by "taskbar")
> No, no. The system tray is the right corner where system clock sit and
> where a few minimized programs can be found, like Kinternet or
> zenupdater The taskbar, of which I spoke about, is located in the
> center of the panel. It is like Mtaskbar, you know, but the one out of
> the box. Every program I run is normally displayed in the taskbar with a
> small rectangle. The problem is that the taskbar remains empty, with no
> sign of the launched application, when I use compiz as the window manager
> in KDE. And when I minimize the application window, it thus disappears
> completely.
>
> This blocks the normal work

I have no idea. Mine works. Not sure what is causing the problem.

The option "Show windows from all desktops" must be turned on even if you
work within only one desktop. This solves the problem with the taskbar.

slonoinquisitor@gmail.com wrote:
> The option "Show windows from all desktops" must be turned on even if you
> work within only one desktop. This solves the problem with the taskbar.

Great!! I'll try to tuck that one away in the ole memory bank.

slonoinquisitor@gmail.com wrote:

> Just installed Suse 10.1 with Xgl and Compiz enabled. In Gnome, everyting
> works fine. In KDE I have a problem, however. When using Compiz, the
> application launched do not appear in the taskbar, and once they are
> minimized, they can no longer be reached. IIRC, same problem occurred
> when I played with compiz in Suse 10.0. Any ideas how to fix it?
>
These problems stem from the fact that when you run XGL and Compiz on KDE
you are basically running KDE with the GNOME window manager, because Compiz
doesn't work with KDE's window manager, notice the shortcut you need to
create to make Compiz start up automatically, one of the options of the
long line will have "gnome-window-decorator". I believe there is a Qt/KDE
extension for Compiz being planned, but I havn't seen anything regarding
that yet.

Troels Just wrote:
....
> These problems stem from the fact that when you run XGL and Compiz on KDE
> you are basically running KDE with the GNOME window manager, because Compiz
> doesn't work with KDE's window manager, notice the shortcut you need to
> create to make Compiz start up automatically, one of the options of the
> long line will have "gnome-window-decorator". I believe there is a Qt/KDE
> extension for Compiz being planned, but I havn't seen anything regarding
> that yet.

As I mentioned in the other thread.. there's not an ounce of
truth to this...

Chris Cox wrote:
> Troels Just wrote:
> ...
>> These problems stem from the fact that when you run XGL and Compiz on KDE
>> you are basically running KDE with the GNOME window manager, because Compiz
>> doesn't work with KDE's window manager, notice the shortcut you need to
>> create to make Compiz start up automatically, one of the options of the
>> long line will have "gnome-window-decorator". I believe there is a Qt/KDE
>> extension for Compiz being planned, but I havn't seen anything regarding
>> that yet.
>
> As I mentioned in the other thread.. there's not an ounce of
> truth to this...

Well I think you will find there is. Whilst it is true that Compiz / Xgl
will work with KDE (and I have configured it this way on several PC's
now it DOES use the Gnome window manager and not the KDE one. THis is
unfortunately the best we have until the Qt/KDE integration is
completed. THe post does not say it does not work, just that it is not
using the KDE window manager. And as I have now rebuilt my own PC with
Gnome not KDE I can confirm that Compiz IS better under gnome. However
once that Qt/KDE bit is written I'll be back to KDE like a shot!

Regards

Craig

Craig Harrison wrote:
> Chris Cox wrote:
>> Troels Just wrote:
>> ...
>>> These problems stem from the fact that when you run XGL and Compiz on KDE
>>> you are basically running KDE with the GNOME window manager, because Compiz
>>> doesn't work with KDE's window manager, notice the shortcut you need to
>>> create to make Compiz start up automatically, one of the options of the
>>> long line will have "gnome-window-decorator". I believe there is a Qt/KDE
>>> extension for Compiz being planned, but I havn't seen anything regarding
>>> that yet.
>> As I mentioned in the other thread.. there's not an ounce of
>> truth to this...
>
> Well I think you will find there is. Whilst it is true that Compiz / Xgl
> will work with KDE (and I have configured it this way on several PC's
> now it DOES use the Gnome window manager and not the KDE one. THis is
> unfortunately the best we have until the Qt/KDE integration is
> completed. THe post does not say it does not work, just that it is not
> using the KDE window manager. And as I have now rebuilt my own PC with
> Gnome not KDE I can confirm that Compiz IS better under gnome. However
> once that Qt/KDE bit is written I'll be back to KDE like a shot!

I stand behind my original statement. Read the poster's post again
and you'll see that most of it does not make any sense.