10.1 Updates confusion

Hi,
I installed 10.1 and after Online Update Configuration I got assigned:
http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/linux/suse.com/suse/update/10.1/

If I run from yast: Online Update, I see that there are 2 recommended
patches in blue:

dhcdbd - bugfix for dhcdbd (DHCLIENT_HOSTNAME_OPTION)
dhcp - bugfix for dhcp (DHCLIENT_HOSTNAME_OPTION)

But when I press Accept, the Online Update closes and nothing gets
installed.

During installation I think that there were 1 or 2 security updates that
must have been installed (they do not appear anymore), but I find it
strange that the updating does not seem to work anymore.

Is there a solution to this?

Thanks.

-G-

-G- wrote:
> Hi,
> I installed 10.1 and after Online Update Configuration I got assigned:
> http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/linux/suse.com/suse/update/10.1/
>
> If I run from yast: Online Update, I see that there are 2 recommended
> patches in blue:
>
> dhcdbd - bugfix for dhcdbd (DHCLIENT_HOSTNAME_OPTION)
> dhcp - bugfix for dhcp (DHCLIENT_HOSTNAME_OPTION)
>
> But when I press Accept, the Online Update closes and nothing gets
> installed.
>
> During installation I think that there were 1 or 2 security updates that
> must have been installed (they do not appear anymore), but I find it
> strange that the updating does not seem to work anymore.
>
> Is there a solution to this?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -G-
>
I got to wonder about the new updater, made a fresh install and
took notes. Then I tried adding and removin sources as well as
adding and removing packages.

What I have come up so far can be found in the first link in my sig.

Vahis
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Vahis wrote:

> -G- wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I installed 10.1 and after Online Update Configuration I got
>> assigned: http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/linux/suse.com/suse/update/10.1/
>>
>> If I run from yast: Online Update, I see that there are 2 recommended
>> patches in blue:
>>
>> dhcdbd - bugfix for dhcdbd (DHCLIENT_HOSTNAME_OPTION)
>> dhcp - bugfix for dhcp (DHCLIENT_HOSTNAME_OPTION)
>>
>> But when I press Accept, the Online Update closes and nothing gets
>> installed.
>>
>> During installation I think that there were 1 or 2 security updates
>> that must have been installed (they do not appear anymore), but I
>> find it strange that the updating does not seem to work anymore.

> I got to wonder about the new updater, made a fresh install and
> took notes. Then I tried adding and removin sources as well as
> adding and removing packages.
>
> What I have come up so far can be found in the first link in my sig.

Vahis - I had already added the additional sources to Packman and Guru
following your excellent multimedia instructions (thank you!) which
worked perfectly. I didn't do the Online Configuration during the
install but afterwards per the Release Notes I did su and "rug refresh"
which said it was successful.

My Zen Updater went orange this morning and when I tried to update
(after adding myself as a permitted user - [as an aside, I'm not crazy
about that since I think only root should be permitted to update as in
the old YaST Online Update]) I got the Unhandled Exception error:

"Failed to look up resolvable w/ id '56088'"

The Zen Updater (orange icon) showed something like 27 updates available
but failed as above. I then ran YaST Online Update and it brought down
about 7 updates for dhcp.

I'm confused. Should I run the zmd/rug commands per your website now or
do something else?

Malke
--
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Malke wrote:
> Vahis wrote:
>
>> -G- wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I installed 10.1 and after Online Update Configuration I got
>>> assigned: http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/linux/suse.com/suse/update/10.1/
>>>
>>> If I run from yast: Online Update, I see that there are 2 recommended
>>> patches in blue:
>>>
>>> dhcdbd - bugfix for dhcdbd (DHCLIENT_HOSTNAME_OPTION)
>>> dhcp - bugfix for dhcp (DHCLIENT_HOSTNAME_OPTION)
>>>
>>> But when I press Accept, the Online Update closes and nothing gets
>>> installed.
>>>
>>> During installation I think that there were 1 or 2 security updates
>>> that must have been installed (they do not appear anymore), but I
>>> find it strange that the updating does not seem to work anymore.
>
>> I got to wonder about the new updater, made a fresh install and
>> took notes. Then I tried adding and removin sources as well as
>> adding and removing packages.
>>
>> What I have come up so far can be found in the first link in my sig.
>
> Vahis - I had already added the additional sources to Packman and Guru
> following your excellent multimedia instructions (thank you!) which
> worked perfectly. I didn't do the Online Configuration during the
> install but afterwards per the Release Notes I did su and "rug refresh"
> which said it was successful.
>
> My Zen Updater went orange this morning and when I tried to update
> (after adding myself as a permitted user - [as an aside, I'm not crazy
> about that since I think only root should be permitted to update as in
> the old YaST Online Update]) I got the Unhandled Exception error:
>
> "Failed to look up resolvable w/ id '56088'"
>
> The Zen Updater (orange icon) showed something like 27 updates available
> but failed as above. I then ran YaST Online Update and it brought down
> about 7 updates for dhcp.
>
> I'm confused. Should I run the zmd/rug commands per your website now or
> do something else?
>
> Malke

Try this:
rug sl

This should show you the Services List you have as sources.

rug ca

This should show the Catalogs you've subscribed to.

You could paste them here. See if there's any duplicates.

Vahis
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Vahis wrote:

> Try this:
> rug sl
>
> This should show you the Services List you have as sources.
>
> rug ca
>
> This should show the Catalogs you've subscribed to.
>
> You could paste them here. See if there's any duplicates.

OK, here are the results:

taliesin:/home/empressmalke # rug sl

# | Status | Type | Name
| URI
--+--------+------+--------------------------------------------------------+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 | Active | ZYPP |
SUSE-Linux-10.1-DVD9-x86-x86_64-10.1-0-20060526-165458 |
cd:///?devices=/dev/hdc,/dev/hdd&alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-DVD9-x86-x86_64-10.1-0-20060526-165458
2 | Active | ZYPP | --20060526-173537
|
ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/sus...0060526-173537
3 | Active | ZYPP | 20060526-173624
| http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/10.1
4 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates
| http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/suse/update/10.1/

taliesin:/home/empressmalke # rug ca

Sub'd? | Name |
Service
-------+--------------------------------------------------------+-------------------------------------------------------
Yes | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates |
SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates
Yes | 20060526-173624 |
20060526-173624
Yes | --20060526-173537 |
--20060526-173537
Yes | SUSE-Linux-10.1-DVD9-x86-x86_64-10.1-0-20060526-165458 |
SUSE-Linux-10.1-DVD9-x86-x86_64-10.1-0-20060526-165458

I await your interpretation. :-)

Malke
--
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Malke wrote:
> Vahis wrote:
>
>> Try this:
>> rug sl
>>
>> This should show you the Services List you have as sources.
>>
>> rug ca
>>
>> This should show the Catalogs you've subscribed to.
>>
>> You could paste them here. See if there's any duplicates.
>
> OK, here are the results:
>
> taliesin:/home/empressmalke # rug sl
>
> # | Status | Type | Name
> | URI
> --+--------+------+--------------------------------------------------------+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1 | Active | ZYPP |
> SUSE-Linux-10.1-DVD9-x86-x86_64-10.1-0-20060526-165458 |
> cd:///?devices=/dev/hdc,/dev/hdd&alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-DVD9-x86-x86_64-10.1-0-20060526-165458
> 2 | Active | ZYPP | --20060526-173537
> |
> ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/sus...0060526-173537
> 3 | Active | ZYPP | 20060526-173624
> | http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/10.1
> 4 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates
> | http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/suse/update/10.1/
>
> taliesin:/home/empressmalke # rug ca
>
> Sub'd? | Name |
> Service
> -------+--------------------------------------------------------+-------------------------------------------------------
> Yes | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates |
> SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates
> Yes | 20060526-173624 |
> 20060526-173624
> Yes | --20060526-173537 |
> --20060526-173537
> Yes | SUSE-Linux-10.1-DVD9-x86-x86_64-10.1-0-20060526-165458 |
> SUSE-Linux-10.1-DVD9-x86-x86_64-10.1-0-20060526-165458
>
> I await your interpretation. :-)
>
> Malke

So your services and catalogs look fine to me.

It may now be, I'm studying this with installing and It could be
that same with updating, I'm not sure:

Seems that when I go with zen GUI installer for a package it
shows all the versions of that package for different processor
architectures but it does not show which is which.

I just tested with a couple of packages > trial & error till the
last one of course was the right one.

Could be that the same goes with updates.

Try to go with the rug, here's a page with examples, look at rug
patches and rug up

run rug patches and run rug up for those

http://en.opensuse.org/Examples_using_rug

I'm not sure if this gets you anywhere since I never had that
problem with updates.

You could also try to right click the globe > configure >
catalogs > untick all but the update one.

Vahis
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Vahis wrote:

> So your services and catalogs look fine to me.
>
> It may now be, I'm studying this with installing and It could be
> that same with updating, I'm not sure:
>
> Seems that when I go with zen GUI installer for a package it
> shows all the versions of that package for different processor
> architectures but it does not show which is which.
>
> I just tested with a couple of packages > trial & error till the
> last one of course was the right one.
>
> Could be that the same goes with updates.
>
> Try to go with the rug, here's a page with examples, look at rug
> patches and rug up
>
> run rug patches and run rug up for those
>
> http://en.opensuse.org/Examples_using_rug
>
> I'm not sure if this gets you anywhere since I never had that
> problem with updates.
>
> You could also try to right click the globe > configure >
> catalogs > untick all but the update one.

Thanks, Vahis. I'll switch to rug for now. This isn't that big a deal to
me and I'm sure it will all get Worked Out Somehow. :-)

I must say that this is the best update to SUSE that I've ever done. I
went from 9.3 on both the desktop and the laptop yesterday. Because I
keep /home on a separate hard drive (desktop) and partition (laptop)
and do a clean install of /, everything went perfectly.

Naturally there are always a few niggles, but basically immediately
after the install I was back up and running. It was wonderful.

Thanks for all your help and your great website.

Cheers,

Malke
--
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Thanks Vahis & Uwe for the comments.
Maybe my zen setup is working but I have no updates to download :-/ and
therefore my confusion...

Just one more question.
In suse 10.0 (and previous versions) when using YOU, the patches would
appear in a list on the left hand side of YOU (in red or blue) and
auto-tick themselves if they were required. After the update those entries
would not appear anymore in the list of patches.

Now in 10.1 I still can still see the blue ones self-ticked and in red some
security patches which have not been self-ticked (I am assuming that those
are not needed; is that right?)
This would seem to be more like Yast software management entries (which
remained ticked if installed) and unticked if not.
Has the YOU behaviour changed this way or is it me just not being able to
load the recommended (blue) patches?
I tried reloading those patches and they seem to have been reloaded, but the
entries remain in YOU.

Sorry if my description is a bit sloppy.
Thanks for any further insight.

-G-

This gets more confusing...

Now 1) YaST Software Management sees updates (names appear in blue) that Zen
does not report (last night it was a new version of cron), AND 2) YaST also
shows packages in red (which means that they are newer than any available
version in the catalogs -- they are not the ones updated through YOU). I
have all the repositories on Refresh and Active.

Could it be that the refreshing is not taking place (obviously this may
happening for both Yast and Zen).

Isn't this strange?

-G-

-G- wrote:

> Now in 10.1 I still can still see the blue ones self-ticked and in red
> some
> security patches which have not been self-ticked (I am assuming that those
> are not needed; is that right?)
> This would seem to be more like Yast software management entries (which
> remained ticked if installed) and unticked if not.
> Has the YOU behaviour changed this way or is it me just not being able to
> load the recommended (blue) patches?
> I tried reloading those patches and they seem to have been reloaded, but
> the
> entries remain in YOU.

-G-:

I see you have not been answered in one week, and I have the same
problem--just as you described!

Every time I go back and look, the same blue and red listings seem to be
waiting, but the check marks may not be the same, and sometimes there are a
few more items in the blue and/or the red lists. This is in Yast2. I have
read in other threads that YaST2 is dead as an updater and no longer works
for that function, but is still the default installer. People like Uwe and
Vahis have described how to setup other repositories to complete
installations and updates.

Some people are using Zen, but I read that it has too many problems for
newbies like us. I read here and in Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols's
DesktopLinux.com column that Smart is easy to setup and use. I have not set
it up, yet, but I will next time I reboot into SuSE Linux. Search these
forums for instructions about setting it up. I believe Smart is available in
YaST2 for installation.

James
--
(open)SuSE Linux Neophyte