Update through yast

On the same subject as the previou post. On yast, I see that I have some
security and recommended updates, but if I try to execute them, yast just
closes without any update. This used to work fine on Suse 10.0.

Thanks,


Rodrigo Botafogo

On 05/23/2006 rbotafogo@certisign.com.br wrote:
> On the same subject as the previou post. On yast, I see that I have
> some
> security and recommended updates, but if I try to execute them, yast
> just
> closes without any update. This used to work fine on Suse 10.0.

Are you superuser?

Stop the zen-updater.
In a console:
su
rug ua -r youruser
+superuser

Hit enter twice.
Restart the zen-updater.

Uwe

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Uwe Buckesfeld wrote:
> On 05/23/2006 rbotafogo@certisign.com.br wrote:
>> On the same subject as the previou post. On yast, I see that I have
>> some
>> security and recommended updates, but if I try to execute them, yast
>> just
>> closes without any update. This used to work fine on Suse 10.0.
>
> Are you superuser?
>
> Stop the zen-updater.
> In a console:
> su
> rug ua -r youruser
> +superuser
>
> Hit enter twice.
> Restart the zen-updater.
>
> Uwe
>

In my Opinion they could scrap Zen update all together we use Zen for
workstations at work on Windows machines and it is a constant nightmare
as to whether the machines got their updates or not. YOU worked
flawlessly and it appears that this is one of those change for change
sake. I vote to go back!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Jim Jones wrote:

> Uwe Buckesfeld wrote:
>> On 05/23/2006 rbotafogo@certisign.com.br wrote:
>>> On the same subject as the previou post. On yast, I see that I have
>>> some
>>> security and recommended updates, but if I try to execute them, yast
>>> just
>>> closes without any update. This used to work fine on Suse 10.0.
>>
>> Are you superuser?
>>
>> Stop the zen-updater.
>> In a console:
>> su
>> rug ua -r youruser
>> +superuser
>>
>> Hit enter twice.
>> Restart the zen-updater.
>>
>> Uwe
>>
>
> In my Opinion they could scrap Zen update all together we use Zen for
> workstations at work on Windows machines and it is a constant
> nightmare as to whether the machines got their updates or not. YOU
> worked flawlessly and it appears that this is one of those change for
> change sake. I vote to go back!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is one of those embrace and extend things so beloved by Microsoft.
It should be scrapped, it needlessly complicated matters.


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On Wed, 24 May 2006 16:53:59 -0400, <numpty@1.novell.mailtrap.org.uk>
wrote:

> Jim Jones wrote:
>
>> Uwe Buckesfeld wrote:
>>> On 05/23/2006 rbotafogo@certisign.com.br wrote:
>>>> On the same subject as the previou post. On yast, I see that I have
>>>> some
>>>> security and recommended updates, but if I try to execute them, yast
>>>> just
>>>> closes without any update. This used to work fine on Suse 10.0.
>>>
>>> Are you superuser?
>>>
>>> Stop the zen-updater.
>>> In a console:
>>> su
>>> rug ua -r youruser
>>> +superuser
>>>
>>> Hit enter twice.
>>> Restart the zen-updater.
>>>
>>> Uwe
>>>
>>
>> In my Opinion they could scrap Zen update all together we use Zen for
>> workstations at work on Windows machines and it is a constant
>> nightmare as to whether the machines got their updates or not. YOU
>> worked flawlessly and it appears that this is one of those change for
>> change sake. I vote to go back!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> It is one of those embrace and extend things so beloved by Microsoft.
> It should be scrapped, it needlessly complicated matters.
>
>
I 2nd scrapping of Zen and return of YOU


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Suse 10.1, kde3.51, opera 9.x weekly

The more I struggle with the new Zen updater trying to get it to work the
crazier the whole concept seems.

I guess I'm just to stupid to see why such unnecessary complexity is a good
thing.

This crazy Zen updater has soured my impression of 10.1. It's like going
back to M$ !!!

It makes me wonder what other nutty things are going on with 10.1 that I
haven't discovered yet !!!!!

9, 9.1, 9.3 and even 10 were outstanding upgrades!!!

I've wasted 3 days now struggling with this crazy updater and am about
ready to go back to 10 :-(

> On Wed, 24 May 2006 16:53:59 -0400, <numpty@1.novell.mailtrap.org.uk> =
>
> wrote:
>
> > Jim Jones wrote:
> >
> >> Uwe Buckesfeld wrote:
> >>> On 05/23/2006 rbotafogo@certisign.com.br wrote:
> >>>> On the same subject as the previou post. On yast, I see that I hav=
> e
> >>>> some
> >>>> security and recommended updates, but if I try to execute them, yas=
> t
> >>>> just
> >>>> closes without any update. This used to work fine on Suse 10.0.
> >>>
> >>> Are you superuser?
> >>>
> >>> Stop the zen-updater.
> >>> In a console:
> >>> su
> >>> rug ua -r youruser
> >>> +superuser
> >>>
> >>> Hit enter twice.
> >>> Restart the zen-updater.
> >>>
> >>> Uwe
> >>>
> >>
> >> In my Opinion they could scrap Zen update all together we use Zen for=
>
> >> workstations at work on Windows machines and it is a constant
> >> nightmare as to whether the machines got their updates or not. YOU
> >> worked flawlessly and it appears that this is one of those change for=
>
> >> change sake. I vote to go back!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > It is one of those embrace and extend things so beloved by Microsoft.
> > It should be scrapped, it needlessly complicated matters.
> >
> >
> I 2nd scrapping of Zen and return of YOU
>
>
> -- =
>
> Suse 10.1, kde3.51, opera 9.x weekly

On 05/24/2006 Jim Jones wrote:
> In my Opinion they could scrap Zen update all together we use Zen for
> workstations at work on Windows machines and it is a constant
> nightmare as to whether the machines got their updates or not. YOU
> worked flawlessly and it appears that this is one of those change for
> change sake. I vote to go back!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please do this using the mailing lists. These are just technical support forums, we aren't directly related to the Opensuse project. I'll elaborate on the subject later in this thread.

Uwe

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On 05/28/2006 anglers@texs.com wrote:
> The more I struggle with the new Zen updater trying to get it to work
> the
> crazier the whole concept seems.

Oky, let me tell you what I think.

Suse as the product of the Opensuse project is the testbed for Novell's Linux products. I hate the term "bleeding edge", but that's it, really. Novell needs to incorporate the Linux desktop into its ZEN management tools. From an admin perspective, do you think YOU is a solution for large environments? Nope. You need the managed desktop to hand out information to the managing service, and you need to be able to lock down users and supply the updates you need. None of which could be done with YOU, but with Zen.

What you see in Suse 10.1 is the first mass rollout of this Zen software. I expected problems. When you watched bugzilla during the Beta phase, you saw a LOT of critical problems with the Zen stuff. Actually the last RC was a nightmare. They fixed a lot for the released version. Is it working perfectly? No. Is it working good enough to be used in production? Well, for me, yes. I have problems, but I can work with it. Your mileage varies.

Venting helps a lot, but now that you've done this, ask yourself: Why do I use the Zen updater? There's no real need for it, all you got from YOU was the normal Suse updates. Unload the zen-updater, subscribe to the Suse security mailing list and patch (almost) manually by downloading RPMs and rpm -Uvh. It doesn't happen *that* frequently, right? I think there's even an apt channel available.
Me, I like the fact that I can get update notifications from other sources. I think the concept is good, and therefore I use the zen-updater and try to help improving it.
It is totally up to you. If you don't like the direction Suse develops into, change. Get Ubuntu or FC or whatever fits your needs, because that's what the entire thing is about: Creating software that fits your needs, rather than being forced to use software which is creating needs.

Uwe

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Uwe Buckesfeld wrote:
> On 05/28/2006 anglers@texs.com wrote:
>> The more I struggle with the new Zen updater trying to get it to work
>> the
>> crazier the whole concept seems.
>
> Oky, let me tell you what I think.
>
> Suse as the product of the Opensuse project is the testbed for Novell's Linux products. I hate the term "bleeding edge", but that's it, really. Novell needs to incorporate the Linux desktop into its ZEN management tools. From an admin perspective, do you think YOU is a solution for large environments? Nope. You need the managed desktop to hand out information to the managing service, and you need to be able to lock down users and supply the updates you need. None of which could be done with YOU, but with Zen.
>
> What you see in Suse 10.1 is the first mass rollout of this Zen software. I expected problems. When you watched bugzilla during the Beta phase, you saw a LOT of critical problems with the Zen stuff. Actually the last RC was a nightmare. They fixed a lot for the released version. Is it working perfectly? No. Is it working good enough to be used in production? Well, for me, yes. I have problems, but I can work with it. Your mileage varies.
>
> Venting helps a lot, but now that you've done this, ask yourself: Why do I use the Zen updater? There's no real need for it, all you got from YOU was the normal Suse updates. Unload the zen-updater, subscribe to the Suse security mailing list and patch (almost) manually by downloading RPMs and rpm -Uvh. It doesn't happen *that* frequently, right? I think there's even an apt channel available.
> Me, I like the fact that I can get update notifications from other sources. I think the concept is good, and therefore I use the zen-updater and try to help improving it.
> It is totally up to you. If you don't like the direction Suse develops into, change. Get Ubuntu or FC or whatever fits your needs, because that's what the entire thing is about: Creating software that fits your needs, rather than being forced to use software which is creating needs.
>
> Uwe
>

I guess one thing that would help me is some sort of detailed webpage or
documentation that shows step by step how to make the zen updater work.
Imagine the surprise that after 9 series and the beginning of the 10
series of Suse all at once YOU is dead and we have an updater that no
one knows for sure just how it really operates. Most of information I
have seen has sketchy bits and pieces of "This works this way". I
understand that idea of desktop versioning and controlling the desktop
from a central location as the company I work for uses ZEN and is
working to an absolutely locked down standard windows desktop. It has
not come to a point of being very useful at this point in time as many
times the automatic patches pushed out by Zen either do not install or
are never received so they can be installed. I am more worried that this
may be the direction that Suse is headed. I am pretty flexible though,
give me a tool that works and a little direction on how to make it work
and I'll be as happy as anyone can be.

Jim

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On 05/29/2006 Jim Jones wrote:
> I guess one thing that would help me is some sort of detailed webpage
> or documentation that shows step by step how to make the zen updater
> work.

I absolutely agree with you here, and this is currently under discussion.

Uwe

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