Download package dependencies for offline installation ?

[FeatherMonkey]

******* try it dont just sprout ****

I'm out of here some people just can't be helped without pretty pictures and step through maybe I need to tell them when they get asked do you wish to download the answer would be NO.

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by rd1381

i try ubuntu new verion next week and i may abandon suse all together just because of ubuntu vast app repos and better package manager. and i have asked the same question i have asked in this post at ubunutuforums and they just pointed to synaptic menu and vollaaaaa.

I think you have been given enough information to go on this thread.

In some areas I think you have done your homework. I believe you are ignoring viable approaches in some others. You clearly disagree, and thats ok, as disagreements if polite, can help build and improve opensource.

I won't bad mouth any other distro here in this thread (I have my own reasons for liking openSUSE and strongly disliking Ubuntu (because of its pathetic update upstream implementation) but thats just me). I have friends and work colleagues who use and like Ubuntu (I have more work colleagues who use and like Fedora - but IMHO they are biaised as many of the office servicers run Red Hat). ... So if you find another distro you like then go for it, ... don't think "holding it over as a comment" will make any difference in the support we give. We all simply try our best and we call the "shots" as we see it.

Rather I encourage you to try to find the Linux distro that suits you best.

A recommendation before you switch. Make note of all the things that openSUSE does that you like. Try and figure out how they are done. And then switch to your next distribution of choice, and try to implement the openSUSE things you like. Hopefully you will succeed and have the best of both worlds. A package management that YOU think is superior (I have the opposite view) and other features that you have learned that make your distro of choice run better. ... and if there are no openSUSE features you like, then the switch will be easier for you and thats even better for you.

Best of luck in your endeavors.

[malcolmlewis]

Originally Posted by rd1381

FeatherMonkey;2056407 Wrote:
> Ditto ...
>
>
> I told you and solved it, it still will need tweaking but you need..
>
> --dry-run and -v with a tee whilst not getting the urls you'll get the
> repo which is the same as you just add download.opensuse.org on the
> front....
sigh
as i said i dont like yast or zypper downloading packages.it just to
much problems on my connection.
so if there is a way that yast gives me the urls of to be installed
packages,say it out loud .
i try ubuntu new verion next week and i may abandon suse all together
just because of ubuntu vast app repos and better package manager.
and i have asked the same question i have asked in this post at
ubunutuforums and they just pointed to synaptic menu and vollaaaaa.

Hi
When I use to be on dial-up I used rsync to mirror sites (updates
mainly), maybe that is an option for you?

Else approach you ISP or one of the local University's and ask them to
setup a local mirror?

You do realize that many applications can be found here;
http://software.opensuse.org/search?

Surprisingly the openSUSE build service also builds for other
distributions as well

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[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by rd1381

.... which on my connection (128kb/s) takes like at least 10 min.

I confess, if I were in Europe or North America (or in some other selected regions with high bandwidth available) and also influencing the packages on a Linux distribution, then other than the odd tweak, I would not spend much time on changing things to satisify users with slow 128kb/sec speeds. Such users in the regions I mention are rare and overall such users are not in the majority. Rather users from those regions should likely come up with a solution themselves. Opensource tends to advance by scratching "an itch" and that low bandwidth issue is not an issue in most European (nor North American, nor many modern South East Asian) countries. The "itch" affects those in regions with low bandwidth, and IMHO they (from the low bandwidth regions) need to produce the precise techincal solution themselves.

I also suspect Ubuntu , despite its heritage, is not optimised for such a slow bandwidth. If you wish to switch distributions, then you could look for one that is tailored with a low bandwidth in mind.

Try a google search on this subject. I found one:
Kongoni Nietzsche released — Kongoni
and I suspect there are other's that have been packaged specifically with low bandwidth users in mind.

I tried to give some hints with OpenSUSE on how you could operate Smart Package Manager to minimize your bandwidth needs (4 repos only, and only update Packman when there is no choice), but the bottom line is every time you dip into the Packman repos, if you want to install via Smart package manager, you will have to download the appropriate list.

Hence if it were me, I would be looking at the wide spectrum of alternatives.

[rd1381]

Originally Posted by FeatherMonkey

******* try it dont just sprout ****

I'm out of here some people just can't be helped without pretty pictures and step through maybe I need to tell them when they get asked do you wish to download the answer would be NO.

thanks for straight answer

[rd1381]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

I think you have been given enough information to go on this thread.

In some areas I think you have done your homework. I believe you are ignoring viable approaches in some others. You clearly disagree, and thats ok, as disagreements if polite, can help build and improve opensource.

I won't bad mouth any other distro here in this thread (I have my own reasons for liking openSUSE and strongly disliking Ubuntu (because of its pathetic update upstream implementation) but thats just me). I have friends and work colleagues who use and like Ubuntu (I have more work colleagues who use and like Fedora - but IMHO they are biaised as many of the office servicers run Red Hat). ... So if you find another distro you like then go for it, ... don't think "holding it over as a comment" will make any difference in the support we give. We all simply try our best and we call the "shots" as we see it.

Rather I encourage you to try to find the Linux distro that suits you best.

A recommendation before you switch. Make note of all the things that openSUSE does that you like. Try and figure out how they are done. And then switch to your next distribution of choice, and try to implement the openSUSE things you like. Hopefully you will succeed and have the best of both worlds. A package management that YOU think is superior (I have the opposite view) and other features that you have learned that make your distro of choice run better. ... and if there are no openSUSE features you like, then the switch will be easier for you and thats even better for you.

Best of luck in your endeavors.

thanks
and i will do as you advised ( i already made a list of todo things)
but your point about package manager is not just my opinion: go search web .look at comparations made by many people ( many of them suse believers) that still says ubuntu makes package management better and easier and not just visually.but as you said distro choice is a personal choice and i may end up not liking ubuntu so i am not gonna erase suse.and for the guy that says i want pretty pictures and what not, yeah i want pretty pictures and step trough.and so do like 99% people of world.that why they buy windows.not because it is superior,because its pretty and gui based and made for dumb people so that it works for everybody.so go on like that and ask why people dont switch to windows.and see ubuntu sweep people off their feet ,not because its superior or something technical but because it carters to everybody not just geeks.

oh i almost forgot. my problem is not bandwidth or speed.it is yast giving me errors in downloading the packages.and plz dont say its just me or a very low percentage of user of suse.go browse through openfate and see the requests there.why do u think people ask for resume support in yast package manager?
why shouldnt people be able to upgrade or install new packages overnight without their interaction?.
and if i had a , i dont know , say, 2Mb/s connection and still got timeout error then what?it not just me its mirrors.as i never get timeout errors in updating windows.as i never get timeout error downloading from rapidshare and what not.all i am saying is that suse should get its **** together for downloading packages or at least give an option for me to download them over the SAME connection but with a download manager that doesnt give tomeout error in middle of downloading.

[rd1381]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

I confess, if I were in Europe or North America (or in some other selected regions with high bandwidth available) and also influencing the packages on a Linux distribution, then other than the odd tweak, I would not spend much time on changing things to satisify users with slow 128kb/sec speeds. Such users in the regions I mention are rare and overall such users are not in the majority. Rather users from those regions should likely come up with a solution themselves. Opensource tends to advance by scratching "an itch" and that low bandwidth issue is not an issue in most European (nor North American, nor many modern South East Asian) countries. The "itch" affects those in regions with low bandwidth, and IMHO they (from the low bandwidth regions) need to produce the precise techincal solution themselves.

I also suspect Ubuntu , despite its heritage, is not optimised for such a slow bandwidth. If you wish to switch distributions, then you could look for one that is tailored with a low bandwidth in mind.

Try a google search on this subject. I found one:
Kongoni Nietzsche released — Kongoni
and I suspect there are other's that have been packaged specifically with low bandwidth users in mind.

I tried to give some hints with OpenSUSE on how you could operate Smart Package Manager to minimize your bandwidth needs (4 repos only, and only update Packman when there is no choice), but the bottom line is every time you dip into the Packman repos, if you want to install via Smart package manager, you will have to download the appropriate list.

Hence if it were me, I would be looking at the wide spectrum of alternatives.

again plz read my question carefully before u answer.
my connection is not even half the preblom.the problem is yast that gives error because of slow mirrors.i can download the same packages on the same connection with a download manager overnight without any errors or having to click "retry". why windows can update very easily but not suse?why ubuntu has a resume downloaded package option but not suse? dont tell me majority of ubuntu and windows users live in third world countries?

i am done with this topic and am going to unsubscribe from it.

thanks for all the replies.

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by rd1381

go search web .look at comparations made by many people ( many of them suse believers) that still says ubuntu makes package management better and easier and not just visually ...

The vast majority of comparisons (in fact the only comparisons) that I could find were all horribly out of date. Horribly. So they were mostly meaningless. Zypper has made substantial improvements in every openSUSE release since 10.2. Every release.

Most comparisons I found were based on out of date assessments by ex-openSUSE-10.1 users who stormed off in a rage because of its broken software package management. Some then tried openSUSE-10.2 which was an improvement, but still not up to the standard of SuSE-10.0 nor back up to apt in Debian. And that is now cast in concrete in their view, and they can not rise above it any any subsequent review.

OpenSUSE-11.1 is a different kettle of fish for software package management, and I could not find one valid post (with detailed technical aspects) comparing 11.1 and saying debian was better, as everyone giving a negative review of openSUSE simply missed many zypper features and stated things that were incorrect in their assessment. ie the reviews were factually WRONG. None of the reviewers who complained about the openSUSE package management in 11.1 did their homework. But many non-openSUSE users bought the wrong assessments line, hook, and sinker.

There is a lot of misinformation and fud when it comes to openSUSE on the net, possibly due to the Novell agreements with Microsoft that many in the Linux community blew out of proportion (IMHO).

Originally Posted by rd1381

oh i almost forgot. my problem is not bandwidth or speed.

If that is the case, then I do not understand your criticism of Smart. Either it is a bandwidth/speed limitation, and hence you can not use Smart because you want to update Packman ALL the time with its massive file (which you do NOT have to d), or its not a bandwidth speed limitation and there is some other factor about Smart, some other factor you have not explained that you dislike about Smart. So is it bandwidth and speed?

I explained how using Smart you could update without downloading the Packman lists. I explained the advantages of reducing your repository list .... Did you try my suggestions?

Originally Posted by rd1381

why shouldnt people be able to upgrade or install new packages overnight without their interaction?.

I don't think thats the issue here. You are determined to do something with YaST that can be done elsewhere with Smart, and you rejected Smart for reasons that I can not follow logically, if this is not a bandwidth nor speed issue.

... anyway, ... 6, 1/2 dozen, or another. ... Find what works best for you and go for it. If you end up needing help on openSUSE in any area, start a thread and users will provide what suggestions they can.

[FeatherMonkey]

in a bit of a better mood I have to agree I really dont get the request.

I've done the tweaking and I'm sure it can be vastly improved.

grep "^ " dmp.txt | while read line;
do 
var=$(echo $line | awk '{print $2}') | tr -d "(, "
zypper lr -ds | cut -d"|" -f3,8 | grep "^ " | grep -v "Name" | grep $var | cut -d"|" -f2|tr -d "\n" | tr -d " "
echo $line|awk '{print $1}'|tr -d "(,"
done

Now if you have a file called dmp.txt that is created with a dryrun and one v if you shove that lot at you it will create a list of urls. I've done no real testing it but it should be using vars to get the repo-name to url resolution, so it shouldn't matter. As for doing the mirror rubbish that is for you to solve, it would be relatively simply to amend the script to change the urls ...?mirrorlist then that would need parsing afterwards.

[FeatherMonkey]

Typo ..

grep "^ " dmp.txt | while read line;
do 
var=$(echo $line | awk '{print $2}' | tr -d "(, ")
zypper lr -ds | cut -d"|" -f3,8 | grep $var | cut -d"|" -f2|tr -d "\n" | tr -d " "
echo $line|awk '{print $1}'
done

extra bits not needed also removed...