Download package dependencies for offline installation ?

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by rd1381

plz read my first post
as i have said i used smart before

Also, a point about your first post. You did NOT say you had used smart before. .. .you said you "would" use smart, but ... then you gave some reasons that I don't happen to agree with ...

Originally Posted by rd1381

i would use smart package manager but ....

By saying "would use" does not say you have used. Rather it suggests that you may have just assessed it without actually trying. The rest is up to the user to guess whether or not you have tried.

Since some of your conclusions about smart were incorrect (in my view) then I thought you had not tried it. It appears to me now you simply either missed features, or misunderstood them. Thats all IMHO and not intended to be anything further. We all miss things / features about packages at times.

[FeatherMonkey]

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Do you know what your attitude sucks...

Find your own solution but it can be done...

[rd1381]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

Yes, but smart also resumes where it left off. If one does not want that resume (where it left off) to happen, just go to /var/lib/smart/packages (or someplace around there) and remove the partial file. I'm not at a linux pc right now and I'm going by memory (with a splitting headache).

as i said i want it to download them all WITHOUT my interaction.

Originally Posted by oldcpu

I disagree 100% here. Smart IMHO is FAR superior to anything debian or zypper/yast have when it comes to assessing and downloading updates.

There is MUCH more to this than just "refreshing" the filelist.xml.gz as you call it.

realy?
then why i refresh packman repo in yast and it takes like 1 min but in smart it download a 2mb AND a 11mb file to refresh packman repo which on my connection (128kb/s) takes like at least 10 min.

so yast is faster because it doesnt download filelist.xml
not because its better.i agree that smart is smarter( or at least was before opensuse11.1 came out),but yast is faster in refreshing repositories.
or maybe i have set and option to refresh filelist as well?which i doubt because i havent touched smart options (which are not that many)

[oldcpu]

One other note about repositories, ... which is a bit off topic, ... but its important this be put in context since you are complaining about a poor connection to the Internet.

Unless you are a skilled average openSUSE Linux user or an advanced openSUSE Linux user, then IMHO you should always stick with only 4 repositories in your Software Package Manager of choice. Just 4. No others. None. The 4 I recommend are OSS, Non-OSS, Update and Packman. In fact, if have the installation DVD, you can even sometimes (not all the time) dispense with OSS, as the DVD provides some of that.

By only having those 4 repos you solve 99.9% of the dependency hiccups new users have by NEVER encountering such hiccups. And you have far less to download/keep up to date when your Package Manager runs.

You simply are not missing much by only sticking with those 4. Add more only an as required basis. To do other wise is IMHO a waste of bandwidth, which for me here in Germany does not matter, but for you where you live is entirely another matter.

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by rd1381

so yast is faster because it doesnt download filelist.xml

Indeed, but I wonder if it will stay that way? Lets see how things pan out with 11.2 zypper, as it is supposed to improve on 11.1 zypper and allow the details of packages that have not yet been downloaded, to be displayed (although I could be wrong here).

Originally Posted by rd1381

.i agree that smart is smarter( or at least was before opensuse11.1 came out),but yast is faster in refreshing repositories.

But as you point out, YaST does not give all the information one might want. I'm also of the view that Smart's dependency resolution algorithms are no longer superior to that of YaST/zypper, but infact YaST/zypper may be superior. But I do believe the presentation in smart is far superior to anything in synaptic or yast, when it comes to assessing what updated rpms are available. That saves ME time, as opposed to just saving bandwidth where I am not watching and don't really care.

Smart saves me time where I care. Not where something is taking place in the background and I don't care.

Originally Posted by rd1381

or maybe i have set and option to refresh filelist as well?which i doubt because i havent touched smart options (which are not that many)

One does not have to do a "smart update" before selecting and downloading with smart, BUT if one does not, it is possible that the application that smart has a list of in its cache is out of date. My view is if one is bandwidth limited, then one should update less.

Instead, for packman (one of the 4 repos I recommend) I recommend a user go here and browse the packman updates: PackMan :: Updates
Then, and only then, if one sees an update they want, should the "smart update" be launched.

That is what I do, and I have a very large bandwidth at home.

[rd1381]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

Also, a point about your first post. You did NOT say you had used smart before. .. .you said you "would" use smart, but ... then you gave some reasons that I don't happen to agree with ...



By saying "would use" does not say you have used. Rather it suggests that you may have just assessed it without actually trying. The rest is up to the user to guess whether or not you have tried.

Since some of your conclusions about smart were incorrect (in my view) then I thought you had not tried it. It appears to me now you simply either missed features, or misunderstood them. Thats all IMHO and not intended to be anything further. We all miss things / features about packages at times.

you are right i have not said i used it before ,but from my post you get that i had, like when i say what smart download and that is has the option for getting urls.
but ok i say now that i have used smart and it is slow for me in refreshing repositories . and btw in smart gui you dont get the urls unless you go offline and extract them from error massages,but in synaptic u can just get them in from menu.

and to that guy that said my attitude sucks: i learned a long time ago to be polite but not care what other people think of my way or attitude.but thanks for your answer and sorry if i offended you, but next time check before you say thing like "i dont think any other package manager has this" or that "its very special need".
just because ur yast doesnt gives u error on ur connection doesnt mean the same thing for others.and go read openFate request to see how many persons have complained about yast errors in downloading and in inferiority to other package manager. i like suse and i want to see it progress but with a package manager like this...... .

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

One does not have to do a "smart update" before selecting and downloading with smart, BUT if one does not, it is possible that the application that smart has a list of in its cache is out of date. My view is if one is bandwidth limited, then one should update less.

An explanation as to how this might work.

Lets say the last time I did a "smart update" was 4 weeks ago. Then I read of application-a which is real neat, and I do not have installed. So I immediately launch smart (but do not acess the internet with it yet) and sure enough, application-a is available, but not installed.

So I select application-a for installation. Smart starts the download for it, and also starts the download for application-b, application-c, application-d and application-3, which are all dependencies.

Unfortuantely, after smart finishes downloading, it advises me that application-c was not available.

So I note application-c was with the "Update" Repos (and not Packman), so I tell Smart to ONLY download the updated list for "Update" repos. Smart does that. And then I tell smart to install application-a again. This time smart ONLY downloads application-c (because it already downloaded the others) and it installs all the applications.

Not once in that scenario did I have to update the Packman repository list.

[FeatherMonkey]

Ditto ...

but next time check before you say thing like "i dont think any other package manager has this

I told you and solved it, it still will need tweaking but you need..

--dry-run and -v with a tee whilst not getting the urls you'll get the repo which is the same as you just add download.opensuse.org on the front....

[rd1381]

Originally Posted by oldcpu

But I do believe the presentation in smart is far superior to anything in synaptic or yast, when it comes to assessing what updated rpms are available.

this option (seeing updates only) is available in yast inside gnome ,or from commandline using yast with --gtk flag that runs the gtk interface of yast. so yast does have this feature but just inside its gtk version (which btw another weak point of yast that gtk and qt version have different structure AND different options .they should have the same options (obviously all the option of two interface combined ) but with different graphical widgets,not two entirely different interface that first time i saw it thought was another package manager all together .

[rd1381]

Originally Posted by FeatherMonkey

Ditto ...


I told you and solved it, it still will need tweaking but you need..

--dry-run and -v with a tee whilst not getting the urls you'll get the repo which is the same as you just add download.opensuse.org on the front....

sigh
as i said i dont like yast or zypper downloading packages.it just to much problems on my connection.
so if there is a way that yast gives me the urls of to be installed packages,say it out loud .
i try ubuntu new verion next week and i may abandon suse all together just because of ubuntu vast app repos and better package manager.
and i have asked the same question i have asked in this post at ubunutuforums and they just pointed to synaptic menu and vollaaaaa.